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From ‘GLOW’ to ‘ROAR’: How A Netflix Cancellation Inspired Co-Creator Liz Flahive

“Why did we do this to ourselves?”

It’s the question showrunner Liz Flahive jokingly admits to asking herself as we dive deep into the trippy, feminist Magical Mystery Tour that is ROAR. The anthology series on Apple TV+ marks Flahive’s second producing adventure with longtime friend and co-creator Carly Mensch. Their first, the nostalgic neon-drenched ode to an 80s-era women’s wrestling league that is GLOW, found its home on Netflix, and in the hearts of streaming fans craving a comedy series filled with diverse and complicated portraits of femininity. It featured an eclectic mix of established names like Alison Brie, Marc Maron, Betty Gilpin, and Chris Lowell; newcomers like Sunita Mani and Britney Young; and bonafide brawlers like Kia Stevens. Beneath the camp and spandex was a subversive investigation into sexism and gender equality following the Women’s Liberation Movement of the 1970s. It was a critical success and, as Flahive puts it, a “dream” show but, like so many things, it came screeching to a halt before production of its fourth season got underway thanks to the pandemic shutdown.

When Netflix couldn’t iron out the logistics of filming the already greenlit installment amidst ever-changing COVID protocols and talent availability, the streamer simply canceled it – a move that was met with plenty of fan outrage and a few petitions begging for its eventual return.

“It’s like they ask you to build a house, but you can only live in it for 15 to 30 minutes,” Flahive says when talking about the cancellation. “When you’re making a show, when you’re building a cast when you’re building a crew when you’re building a season, you’re investing, especially as a showrunner. You’re living in that house for a really long time creatively and you’re investing in it.”

Besides the restrictions placed on them by the pandemic, personnel changes at Netflix may have contributed to the eventual decision to end the show so abruptly. Just a month before the announcement, Cindy Holland, who championed the streamer’s move into original content, producing shows like Jenji Kohan’s Orange Is The New Black, exited the company she helped build. Jane Wiseman, the head of Netflix’s Original Comedy Series, also cut ties with the platform.

“For a few seasons, we had a very good run creatively and had a lot of great support from Cindy Holland and Jane Wiseman and Jenji Kohan. I think, like anywhere else, places change, things change, what places want change,” Flahive explains. “That’s complicated and hard as a creative who’s told one thing season one, and then by season four, you hear something very different.”

For Flahive and Mensch, the relocation to Apple TV+ brings a new challenge: an anthology series, something they’d never done before. The show was also an adaptation of a collection of short stories, which only added to the trial-by-fire nature of the project.

“After we made GLOW, which was the joy and privilege of our lives, we were approached by many people to make something similar or adjacent,” Flahive recalls. “And I think as much as we love making shows about women, obviously, we just wanted to make sure we were always pushing ourselves in a new direction and doing something new.”

GLOW fans might notice some overlap between the two series, especially in terms of the cast — Mensch and Flahive have invited old friends like Brie, Gilpin, and Lowell to come play in their new surrealist sandbox – but the ties run a bit deeper than that. As Flahive explains, the idea for ROAR came to them while they were still in pre-production mode for season three of their Netflix hit, pushing them past their self imposed policy about being “monogamous creatives,” the allure of an anthology series’ self-contained nature and the opportunity to mix genres and work in different characters proving too powerful to not at least entertain.

With episodes that focus on everything from maternal guilt – something Flahive admits both she and Mensch could write about “until the cows come home” – to the commodification of Black art and the universal experience of being stuck in a toxic relationship heightened with a fantasy element that involves a talking duck, ROAR is impossible to pin down. Some of its episodes, like Cynthia Erivo’s body-horror-infused examination of modern motherhood, are stomach-churning. Others, like Brie’s satirical romp that tasks a spectral stand-up comic with solving her own murder, borrow the same comedic purpose GLOW felt driven by. And still others, like Issa Rae’s futuristic thriller about a Black creator whose work gets co-opted to the point where she begins to disappear, feel straight out of the Twilight Zone. The reason? Both Flahive and Mensch were determined to bring in different perspectives to translate these stories to the screen.

“The stories in the book, they’re pretty sparse,” Flahive explains. “We sent the book to our writers — Halley Feiffer, Janine Nabers, and Vera Santamaria — and we were like, ‘Tell us which stories you respond to. And then let’s have a conversation about the ones that you think you’d want to write.’”

That creative freedom and loose collaboration style opened up the show, giving it space to evolve from its origins in ways that feel fresh and relevant. Nabers, a playwright, producer, and writer on shows like Atlanta, connected with the story titled The Woman Who Disappeared. In the book, that tale focuses on an aging academic who disappears because society starts to ignore women who are older, refusing to see them as real people, but Nabers pulled a different metaphor from it for the show.

“She was like, ‘I think there’s a story in there about the commodification of Black art and how Black women are not seen as their stories are being taken and told,’” Flahive explains. “The collaboration between her and Issa and Channing Godfrey Peoples, to kind of make that episode, was really its own thing — and I think feels very different from what’s in the book in a great way.”

There’s a thrown-in-the-deep-end vibe inherent to most anthology stories. As one-offs, episodes are never given much time to flesh out backstories and set the scene before the real action ramps up. That’s true of ROAR too. We meet most of these characters in the midst of life-changing circumstances that render their past selves almost irrelevant. It’s an interesting change of pace for the creators of a show whose first season felt like one giant exposition explaining the origins and motivations and conflicting personalities involved with the formation of an early 80s women’s wrestling league.

“The pace of season one of GLOW, which I adore, was very intentional,” Flahive says. “But the constant roller coaster of these episodes is just wild. There is no backstory, it’s just, ‘Get on the train.’ We have to hit the ground running, we have to understand a lot of stuff, which puts a lot of pressure on everything: production design, costumes, the writing, the direction being crisp … Just making sure we’re setting you up to get on the ride with us, and then it can get messy and complicated.”

When you ask Flahive which kind of storytelling she prefers – the kind that lets you have a beginning, middle, and end in just one episode or the kind that gives you the real estate to build a world over the course of multiple seasons without the guarantee you’ll get the chance to say goodbye to it, she doesn’t have a ready answer.

“It’s such a double-edged sword,” she admits. “You do love falling in love with characters, season after season. That’s kind of the magic of TV. But with [ROAR] these episodes all ended where we intended them to end, which is nice. So ideally we’ll get to have it both ways one of these days.”

The sting of GLOW’s cancellation still feels particularly fresh for fans – every so often a call for its renewal or a movie follow-up makes the rounds on social media – but maybe there’s comfort in knowing that its creators, Mensch and Flahive, found a way to move on from the disappointment by channeling some of the same elements that made the Netflix series so popular into a new show that’s inspiring them to experiment with and challenge the notions of what they thought they were capable of.

“[ROAR] has been sort of a creative balm to what happened with GLOW,” Flahive says. “We’ve finished all eight of those stories. We saw that they had a beginning, middle, and end. I think if this taught us anything, it’s that there are lots of different ways to tell a story. You just keep going. You move your house and you bring new and old friends with you. That’s the magic of making things.”

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Hayley Williams Has A New Podcast Called ‘Everything Is Emo’

Paramore bandleader Hayley Williams has been up to a lot — from joining world-dominating pop star Billie Eilish on the stage at Coachella to recording the highly anticipated follow-up album to 2017’s After Laughter. But there’s more in the works, including this just-announced podcast called Everything Is Emo, a part of the BBC Sounds Back To Back series, that will dig into the history of the genre.

In a statement, she explained what motivated her to start this new project:

“Not long ago, people started calling me a ‘veteran’ of my scene and of the music industry. It sounds so funny to me because most of the time I still feel like a fan. The serious truth is I have, in fact, grown up in this scene for the last two decades. I guess that’s a pretty long time. I’m really excited to have the opportunity to publicly nerd out about bands and songs that make my favorite subgenre feel like home to me. And while it will be fun to take some trips down memory lane, I’m just as excited, if not more, to play music from new artists I’m discovering all the time.

Everything Is Emo is meant to feel like a conversation with other fans of the genre, young and (ahem) old. There’s going to be plenty of interaction, which I hope will feel somewhat reminiscent of the message boards and forums I used to frequent as a teenage scene kid.

More than anything, I hope music fans and artists alike will be psyched to hear a highly considered spectrum of ‘EMO’ in all its forms. And yeah, of course you’ll hear some Paramore.”

The first episode is out now.

Some artists covered here are Warner Music artists. Uproxx is an independent subsidiary of Warner Music Group.

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Jeffrey Dean Morgan Called Out ‘Toxic’ ‘Walking Dead’ Fans Who Have Been ‘Sh*tty’ To Norman Reedus

The Walking Dead‘s Daryl and Carol show will now just be the Daryl show.

Earlier this week, we learned that after over a decade of filming in the Georgia wilderness, Melissa McBride will “no longer participate” in an announced TWD spinoff series with Norman Reedus. “Relocating to Europe became logistically untenable for Melissa at this time,” a spokesperson for AMC explained. “We know fans will be disappointed by this news, but The Walking Dead Universe continues to grow and expand in interesting ways and we hope to see Carol again in the near future.”

Fans were disappointed in the news, and some took out their anger on Reedus.

“Some of you have gone WAY too far. TOXIC. Attacking norm for crap he has NOTHING to do with?” Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who plays Negan on The Walking Dead (and a prematurely revealed spinoff with Lauren Cohan), tweeted. “Melissa made a call that was hers alone. She wants/needs a break. Respect that. Factors involved that are nobody’s business. Norm, who’s given more than anyone to you all. Just SH*TTY.”

He continued, “Norman had nothing to do with picking location. That decision is all about story, ideas… MONEY. That’s studio/network. Not actors. We can say yes and do, or no, and not do… MAYBE. SOMETIMES. If we’re lucky and don’t have contract yet. Rarely does actor have that power.”

At least no one tried to bite him again (probably).

(Via NME)

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Rihanna Is Thrilled About Her First Barbados National Heroes Day As An Honoree

Yesterday was a big day in Barbados, as April 28 marks National Heroes Day, during which the island nation honors a select group of people who have been declared National Heroes. Rihanna earned that distinction last November, meaning this year’s National Heroes Day was Rihanna’s first as an honoree, about which she was thrilled.

Rihanna shared some photos from when she was named a National Hero last year and wrote, “My very first #NationalHeroesDay as a National Hero of my country Barbados! [Barbados flag emojis] What an absolute honor to be amongst such great men and women who have come before me and held this title in commitment to our nation! I will forever cherish these memories and continue to represent the Bajan people and my home Barbados to the fullest!! Love and gratitude to both The Prime Minister, The Honorable Mia Amor Mottley and our President, Her Excellency The Most Honorable Dame Sandra Mason for trusting me with this honor!”

The first National Heroes Day was celebrated on April 28, 1998, 100 years after the birth of Sir Grantley Herbert Adams, Barbados’ first prime minister (a position then called “premier”). The holiday has been observed annually since then.

The National Hero distinction is a big deal, as Rihanna is just one of 11 people to ever be given the title and the first one since the inaugural ten-person class in 1998. Rihanna is one of only two living National Heroes of Barbados, alongside legendary cricket player Sir Garfield St Aubrun Sobers. She’s also one of just two women to ever receive the honor, the other being Sarah Ann Gill, a social and religious leader in the 1800s.

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Indiecast Looks Back At The Notable Albums Of 2002

This week on Indiecast, hosts Steven Hyden and Ian Cohen take a deep dive into the most talked about albums from 2002. Re-examining releases like Wilco’s Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Interpol’s Turn On The Bright Lights, Beck’s Sea Change, and Rilo Kiley’s The Execution Of All Things, Steven and Ian sort the albums into a few different categories: Overrated, underrated, properly rated, and their absolute favorites.

Along with revisiting music from two decades ago, Steven and Ian discuss all that happened in the music industry during their week-long hiatus. Elon Musk is trying to buy Twitter, Greta Van Fleet’s Josh Kiszka apologized for appropriating indigenous culture over the years, and Wilco dropped their 20th anniversary Yankee Hotel Foxtrot reissue, which is an impressive 11-LP box set. Finally, Succession‘s Cousin Greg, whose real name is Nicholas Braun, is apparently starting an indie rock TV series.

New episodes of Indiecast drop every Friday. Listen to Episode 86 on Spotify below, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. You can submit questions for Steve and Ian at [email protected], and make sure to follow us on Instagram and Twitter for all the latest news. We also recently launched a visualizer for our favorite Indiecast moments. Check those out here.

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Seth Meyers Could Barely Keep His Composure While Reporting About Trump’s Fear Of ‘Deadly’ Fruit Attacks

Donald Trump has said a lot of ridiculous things throughout his life, and many, many offensive things, too. And while his most supporters didn’t seem to mind that he enjoys grabbing women “by the p*ssy,” one would think—or, at least, hope—that even his most true-blue fans would want to put their MAGA hats on mothballs for a beat after learning of the former president’s fear of flying fruits.

Earlier this week, transcripts from an October 2021 deposition with Trump were made public. In them, he defends telling a crowd of supporters in 2016 to “knock the crap out” of anyone they see “getting ready to throw a tomato”—an act we previously believed only happened in Muppet movies, but one Trump seems decidedly familiar with, and knowledgeable about. On Thursday night, Seth Meyers attempted to share this development, along with quotes from the transcript, with his viewers, but had trouble getting through the words out without breaking into hysterical laughter.

After breaking out a spot-on impression of how Trump might have wanted to handle the situation—“I wanted to use some highly specialized fruit ninjas. I said, ‘Let’s do ninjas, because they have the fruit swords.’ But they said no.”—Meyers got to the most idiotic part of Trump’s already senseless argument.

“There’s this even dumber part of the deposition where Trump says, ‘You get hit with fruit… it’s very violent stuff. We were on alert for that… I wanted to have people be ready because we were put on alert that they were going to do fruit.’

What do you mean ‘do fruit’?! What do you mean you were put on alert? There’s an alert system for fruit? It’s like the Homeland Security threat level? Red’s tomato, yellow’s for banana, and green is for avocado. You know what they say: If you get hit with an avocado, you’re toast!”

You can watch the full segment above, beginning around the 8:55 mark.

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Jack Harlow Shares Confident DMs He Sent Bryson Tiller When He Was 17

Bryson Tiller is only a few years older than Jack Harlow (29 vs. 24, respectively), but that didn’t stop Harlow from looking up to his fellow Louisville, Kentucky native in his younger days. As Harlow is gearing up to release Come Home The Kids Miss You next week, he took a moment to shout out Tiller by sharing a DM exchange they had when Harlow was 17.

It started last night when Tiller offered some unsolicited support for Harlow, tweeting, “get ready for my bro Jack’s new album. soon you’ll see why he is number 1. MAY 6th.” Harlow responded by writing, “Dreams come true,” and sharing a screenshot of a DM exchange they had on June 30, 2015.

In it, Harlow starts by thanking Tiller for how well he has represented Louisville on a big stage. Harlow then noted the influence Tiller had on him while expressing confidence about where he himself would end up, writing, “I’m a massive fan dude and study your every move. I just turned 17 and I’m very confident in my craft and trajectory of my career.”

After Harlow concluded by calling Tiller a “hometown hero” and expressing his desire to meet, Tiller responded, “thanks man I appreciate it. keep working. anything is possible.”

Indeed, it does seem like anything is possible for Harlow: His debut album, 2020’s Thats What They All Say, went No. 5 and Harlow has two No. 1 singles to his name: “First Class” and his Lil Nas X collaboration “Industry Baby.”

Jack Harlow is a Warner Music artist. Uproxx is an independent subsidiary of Warner Music Group.

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Trump Reportedly Kept A Gift Shop Filled With MAGA Swag Next To The Oval Office

Donald Trump treated the White House like a ride at Universal Studios, according to a new book. In This Will Not Pass, authors and New York Times reporters Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns spoke to New Jersey governor Phil Murphy (D), who told them that the former-president kept a room stocked with MAGA merch next to the Oval Office. “They literally hand you a shopping bag, and you took anything you’d like,” he said.

Murphy visited Trump at the White House in April 2020 to discuss the pandemic. It was a (strategically) friendly enough meeting, with the former-president saying, “You can’t have a better representative than this man. That I can tell you.” But by December 2020, the relationship had soured. Murphy had less kind things to say about Trump.

“There was some amount of evidence that they knew more than they were letting on, and that sure as heck would have helped us to have that knowledge,” Murphy said. “There’s no question about that.” Murphy said that the lack of a national testing strategy – he called it a “kind of patchwork quilt” – a failure to make “reliable, verifiable data” available to the public, and a failure to mobilize the Defense Production Act early on, made the governing more difficult. “All of that would have really helped. It would have helped New Jersey. It would have helped the country,” he said.

Murphy added, “We have likewise suffered from the get-go with the absence of a national strategy, a national consistent theme that face masks actually are not political, they save lives.” But at least he got an overpriced MAGA bear out of it.

(Via the Hill)

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Psy And Suga Of BTS Cavort In The Wild West-Themed ‘That That’ Video

Since teasing the release of his comeback single earlier this week, Psy has made it clear that he’s well past the “Gangnam Style” phase that first introduced him to a global audience. Despite his past as a record-breaking K-pop artist, Psy isn’t shy in asking the reigning pop heroes of the day, BTS, to get involved with his new album, Psy 9th. His new song, which is called “That That,” was produced by none other than Suga of BTS, and another teaser clip from this week revealed that Suga is featured on the track and part of the video as well.

In a wild west-themed romp, Psy and Suga cavort through an old timey town, checking out the saloon and hosting massive dance-offs out in the town square — plus Suga raps his own verse on the track. It’s the kind of feel good, kitschy clip that will definitely go far, and based on the incredibly catchy chorus from the song, Psy has a chance at getting himself back into the mainstream pop conversation. Since his new album is also out tonight, listeners can dive right in with not just the new single, but the entire record. Stream that below if you want to hear what this viral star is up to now, and check out the video up top.

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Harry Styles Shared The Official Tracklist For ‘Harry’s House’

At this point, it feels like nothing else in pop can really take place until Harry Styles releases his next album. Harry’s House has already earned the praise of Joni Mitchell, who seems to be a namesake of sorts for the title, earned Harry a spot on the Coachella lineup — where he previewed not one but two new songs — and spawned the hit single “As It Was.” What else can he do before the album drops in a few weeks? Well, plenty it seems. Not only is “As It Was” back on top of the charts at the No. 1 spot, after a brief dethroning by Jack Harlow’s “First Class,” and that might be the only thing delaying another new song from the record.

When it come, the next single is likely to be “Boyfriends,” a much slower track that nevertheless has already become a fan favorite because of how it dismantles the bad behavior of men who date women! Imagine that. “Late Night Talking” would be another good pick, but instead of giving us new music, tonight Harry gave us the idea of new music by sharing the entire tracklist for the record. Let the speculation begin, this thing ain’t over until it’s over.

Harry’s House tracklist:
Side A
1. “Music For A Sushi Restaurant”
2. “Late Night Talking”
3. “Grapejuice”
4. “As It Was”
5. “Daylight”
6. “Little Freak”
7. “Matilda”

Side B
8. “Cinema”
9. “Daydreaming”
10. “Keep Driving”
11. “Satellite”
12. “Boyfriends”
13. “Love Of My Life”