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From Jet Ski Races To Outer Space: Tracking Ludacris’ Kind Of Incredible Journey In The ‘Fast & Furious’ Franchise

The nearly 4-minute Fast X trailer that dropped a few weeks ago had so much going on that it was hard to keep track of. Everyone is rightfully excited for Jason Momoa as the villain, as we learn five movies later that the Brazilian drug lord from Fast Five has a son who is hellbent on revenge and wants to, you’ll never guess it, tear Dominic Toretto’s family apart. There’s all kinds of callbacks — the bridge in Brazil, the tunnels in Mexico — and the returns of Charlize Theron, John Cena, Helen Mirren, Jason Statham, and all of our favorites from the crew.

However, what I’m most excited for in Fast X is to see what new area of expertise Tej Parker, played by the great Chris “Ludacris” Bridges, has developed. I would argue there is no character in film history that has had a more outrageous arc than Tej, which is made even more incredible because Ludacris was never even supposed to be in the Fast & Furious franchise. Ja Rule was meant to join Paul Walker as a returning character from the original (NO, MONICAAAAAA) in 2 Fast 2 Furious, but famously turned down the role, leading to Ludacris getting his foot in the door in what has now become the most lucrative action movie franchise on the planet.

When we first meet Tej Parker in 2 Fast, he’s a mechanic who also handles the money for underground jet ski races out back at his garage in Miami. Fast forward to F9, Ludacris’ sixth appearance in the franchise, and Parker is one of the world’s best hackers, a master of electromagnets, and knows the science behind what’s needed to go to space in a Pontiac Fiero. Of all the absurdities in the Fast & Furious universe, and there are many, there are none that I am more fascinated and enthralled by than the trajectory of one Tej Parker. This is in part because his counterpart from 2 Fast, Tyrese aka Roman Pierce, has more or less been the exact same character for two decades (comic relief, driver, hot head, now solo Greek Chorus) on his own journey to outer space.

Here, I will attempt to explore how we got to this place, and if nothing else, list out — movie by movie — all of the various roles and responsibilities Ludacris has held in the franchise, as the most versatile member of Dom’s crew, as we get ready for Fast X, where we can only hope to see Tej add another skill to his bag.

2 Fast 2 Furious

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Responsibilities: Garage owner/mechanic, leader of street and jet ski races, organizer of car-related chaos, wearer of tremendous jumpsuits, a person who throughout the entire movie does not use a computer even one (1) time.

In his debut, Tej Parker does many things. He runs street and jet ski races, as one does being the owner of a waterfront car garage. He does mechanic things, like helping to put ejector seats into Brian and Roman’s cars. He is the best-connected man in Miami, per Brian, with his hands in “everything,” so he’s able to get literally hundreds of street racers to help them shake the cops by filling a garage and then scattering all at once. He pulls off looks like the one above.

He also exists in a world that Ludacris, the rapper, does as well, as evidenced by “Act a Fool” playing before the opening race as everyone dances around him. This isn’t really relevant to Tej, the character, but it is to my ongoing hope that one day Ludacris will play both Tej and himself in a Fast & Furious movie. Maybe make them long-lost twins or something. It would be a more realistic sibling reveal than John Cena being Vin Diesel’s brother. Sorry, I’m getting off track.

Back to Tej, who is the don of Miami street racing. He’s already an incredible character, and, I cannot stress this enough, at no point does he ever touch a computer. The most advanced technology we see him use in the whole movie is a flip phone and a walkie-talkie. At best, you would have expected that if Tej came back in another movie, it was as some kind of secondary character that helps them out in Miami at some point given his connections. However…

Fast Five

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Responsibilities: Surveillance expert, hacker, general tech guy, mechanic (?)

At some point between 2003 and 2011, Tej learned a lot about computers and surveillance technology. This is never explained and honestly it’s one of my favorite things about the franchise. They’re often really good about offering at least some form of an explanation for their most ridiculous leaps — people dying and coming back, Dom Toretto having an evil brother we haven’t even heard of until the ninth movie of the franchise that is all about family, etc. — but Tej’s jump from a person who literally doesn’t touch a computer throughout the entire first movie he’s in to becoming a hacker extraordinaire in the second movie he shows up in is never explained.

My best rationalization of this shift is that cars started to become more automated and CPU focused, so it would make sense for a garage owner with street racing ties would start learning more about them and maybe become obsessed with it to the point of learning how to crack security cameras. That’d be helpful for someone who runs street races. A stretch? Sure, but let’s just go with it.

The real answer is, their whole plan for the movie was to bring back old favorites and Tej already had an explanation for why he didn’t drive — remember, he hit a wall going 120 — so he was the most logical person to become “the guy in the chair,” and goddammit if he doesn’t pull it off. After the initial shock of hearing that the jet ski race guy is now a computer expert, it’s actually incredible how well Ludacris plays this role. Like, it very well could’ve all gone wrong trying to make this thing work but we are now a decade into Tej Parker, elite international hacker, and it’s hard to remember what it was like before we had him in our lives.

Fast & Furious 6

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Responsibilities: Surveillance expert, hacker, general tech guy, high-end car auctioneer embarrasser, harpoon gun expert

“See their version works cool, but mine? A masterpiece. See, I reversed the gears, torqued the motor, and added this tank to the back…”

This is a line that has been stuck in my head for eight years, as Tej explains to Roman how he took a harpoon gun from the bad guys and made it better by, what else, adding NOS. This is actually the thing Tej does in the post-2 Fast world that makes the most sense for his past. I 100 percent believe the mechanic who runs jet ski races in Florida would do something like trick out a harpoon gun with NOS. That is the most consistency the franchise has ever shown with Tej.

The rest of what he does in this movie is mostly in line with his role in the fifth. Having not-yet-rogue The Rock involved lets him gain access to London’s camera systems without having to hack into them. He also gets back to his roots as an organizer, serving as the play-by-play man for the crew in their highway chase scene in which he delivers the legendary line: “Uh guys, they’ve got a tank.” This is cinema.

Furious 7

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Responsibilities: Surveillance expert, hacker extraordinaire, general tech guy, guy capable of wielding the greatest digital weapon known to man (God’s Eye), fighter

As my esteemed colleague Brian Grubb has written previously, the Fast & Furious franchise is best broken into three trilogies. The first three are, mostly, about cars and racing. The second trilogy are blockbuster action movies using cars to facilitate the action, with Fast Five being the shining example of how good the series can be as a standalone action movie. The most recent trilogy is simply about seeing how big they can go.

Tej follows that same trajectory. In the second movie, he’s all about the cars and the racing community. By the fifth and sixth movies, he is your stereotypical action movie tech genius, hacking into security systems and setting the table for everyone else to do what they do. He is the Benji to Dom’s Ethan Hunt, if we want to use a Mission Impossible analogy. (We do.) That leap in and of itself is hysterical but is nothing compared to what happens in the third trilogy.

In films 7-9, we are just pushing boundaries to see what people will go for, and the answer to everything since has been a resounding yes. Can we jump cars through the world’s tallest buildings? Yes. Can we take down a nuclear submarine with cars? Yes. Can we go to space in a car? You’re goddamn right.

Tej is the manifestation of that in character form. You were accepting of a mechanic becoming a tech guy? Alright, now he can work side-by-side with the person we are told is the most dangerous hacker on the planet without skipping a beat. Oh, and he also has martial arts training.

Look at Ludacris! This is an important development because this opens him up to no longer being “the guy behind the screen,” a la Benji in Mission Impossible. He can now venture out into the field for action scenes as well. Without this, I firmly believe we never get Ludacris in space, which might be the most important thing that happened in all of 2021.

Fate of the Furious

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Responsibilities: Surveillance expert, hacker extraordinaire, general tech guy, nuclear submarine expert (!)

In Fate of the Furious, Tej is mostly the same guy up until the point they get to the nuclear submarine in Russia, where we learn that Mr. Parker has been studying up on foreign war machines and knows exactly what they need to be looking for to disable the nuclear sub — “it should be labeled ‘Guidance Go.’”

How does he know this? Don’t worry about that. This is just standard information your friendly auto mechanic turned hacker knows. He’s still helping outfit cars with NOS and roll cages and all the things that make him a valuable mechanic on the car superhero team, but he also is a quick study and can tell you how to disarm a nuclear sub, if you need that sort of thing.

F9

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Responsibilities: Surveillance expert, hacker extraordinaire, general tech guy, fighter, land mines expert, giant electromagnets expert (!!), space travel science expert/astronaut (!!!)

Tej really gets to stretch his legs and show his range in F9, as he gets to flash his knowledge in a variety of areas, from land mines to electromagnets to space travel. It’s really the pinnacle of his involvement in the franchise, as he helps outfit cars with giant magnets so they can attract and repel other cars — and eventually, flip the unstoppable tank tractor-trailer thing that the bad guys are in.

While all of that is happening, though, Tej and Roman are in space, taking out a satellite. For years the running joke was that the Fast Saga would eventually end up in space, and in the ninth move, they finally did it, with Roman and Tej becoming the first astronauts of the Fast & Furious crew. They do this by reuniting with the fellas from Tokyo Drift, as Twinkie and Sean now build rocket engines (which, to be clear, is something I would watch an entire spinoff about), and have figured out how to strap one to a Pontiac Fiero.

Why do they have to go to space, you ask? Well, because they need to take out a satellite, of course. (Reminder: this franchise started with Dom’s crew stealing DVD players.) And Tej knows how to turn old scuba suits into space gear and all “the numbers” — as Roman keeps saying — behind what it’s going to take to destroy the satellite, which, sure. And, naturally, the initial plan doesn’t work, so Roman just drives the space Fiero into the satellite, with the help of what appears to be rocket fuel NOS.

A perfect movie scene, really. I don’t know how they can possibly one-up this for Tej and Roman, but seeing those two together in the Fast X trailer has me very excited for whatever shenanigans they get into. My only hope is that, whenever this ends, we go full circle and Tej is just running his garage — and jet ski races — in peace in Miami.

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The Chicago Bulls Announced Lonzo Ball Will Not Play This Season

When Lonzo Ball first injured his knee in January 2022, the expectation was for him to miss 4-6 weeks. More than a year later, Ball remains sidelined as he deals with pain and discomfort, and the star guard appears no closer to a return amid numerous setbacks.

On Tuesday morning, the Chicago Bulls announced Ball was being shut down for the season, making official what many feared after recent updates revealed he was still experiencing pain.

On behalf of Chicago Bulls Executive Vice President – Basketball Operations Artūras Karnišovas:

“Despite making significant increases in strength and function over the past several months, Bulls guard Lonzo Ball continues to experience performance limiting discomfort during participation in high level basketball-related activities. Considering the required time period to achieve the necessary level of fitness to return-to-play and the current stage of the NBA season, Ball will not return this season. The focus for Ball will continue to be on the resolution of his discomfort and a full return for the 2023-24 season.”

Hopefully Ball can continue making incremental strides and eventually become pain free in his knee, not only for a hopeful return to the court but just for his day-to-day life. As for the Bulls, it’s confirmation that there aren’t any reinforcements coming, aside from Patrick Beverley on the buyout market, and to pull themselves out of their season-long funk in the stretch run, they will need a rather dramatic shift fr.guys already in the locker room.

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A ‘Wheel Of Fortune’ Contestant Had The Studio Audience Groaning In Disbelief At Her Incorrect Answer

Jeopardy! is the thinking person’s game show, but Wheel of Fortune is harder than it looks. You have to wake up early, and you might be waiting all day for your episode to film (as detailed here), and you’re under hot lights, and you’re afraid of looking like a dope on TV with your friends and family members watching. That’s a lot of pressure. So, the next time you watch a contestant fail to correctly solve a puzzle, have empathy.

That being said: YOU DON’T SPELL “FRESH” WITH A “G.”

If I was on Wheel of Fortune and the audience groaned like that at one of my answers, I would leave mid-episode and never return. Props to Khushi for not doing that.

In another Wheel of Fortune news, the show was recently renewed was for five more years, through the 2027-2028 season. Will Pat and Vanna call it quits before then? “We’re getting near the end,” Sajak told Entertainment Tonight. “It’s been a long [time]. We’re not gonna do this for another 40 years. The end is near. It’s an honor to have been in people’s living rooms for that long. We’re happy and proud.”

The rage he feels for Wheel of Fortune contestants keeps him young.

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Beyoncé And Rihanna Took Home Trophies On The First Night Of The NAACP Image Awards 2023

This year’s Grammys isn’t the only award ceremony in which Beyoncé is pulling record numbers. NAACP’s annual Image Awards, held yesterday night (February 20), had a few trophies of its own to dish out to the singer.

The “Break My Soul” singer won the most awards, including Outstanding Female Artist, Outstanding Soul/R&B song for the single “Cuff It,” and Outstanding Album for Renaissance.

Rihanna also won for Outstanding Music Video/Visual Album for her song “Lift Me Up” from the film Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.

The next top winner was surprisingly Chris Brown, despite Kendrick Lamar being the second most-nominated act of the evening. Brown won two awards. The first was Outstanding Male Artist and Outstanding Duo, Group or Collaboration (Contemporary) alongside Wizkid for his song, “Call Me Every Day,” from his album Breezy.

Last night’s winners were part of the non-televised ceremony. The televised ceremony will be filmed on February 25th and air exclusively on BET on February 26. To watch the 54th annual NAACP Image Awards live, click here.

A complete list of the awards handed out the first night follows.

Outstanding International Song
Wizkid — “Bad To Me”
Fireboy DML & Chris Brown feat. Shenseea — “Diana”
Burna Boy — “Last Last”
Tems — “No Woman No Cry”
Davido feat. Sunday Service Choir — “Stand Strong”

Outstanding Jazz Album – Instrumental
Boney James — Detour
Henry Franklin, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Adrian Younge — Henry Franklin: Jazz Is Dead 014
Kaelin Ellis — The Funk Will Prevail
Javon Jackson — The Gospel According to Nikki Giovanni
Ragan Whiteside — Thrill Ride

Outstanding Gospel/Christian Song
Marvin Sapp— “All in Your Hands”
Tennessee State University — “Fly (Y.M.M.F.)”
Erica Campbell — “Positive”
MAJOR. — “Whole World In His Hands”
Jonathan McReynolds — “Your World”

Outstanding Gospel/Christian Album
Tye Tribbett — All Things New
Tasha Cobbs Leonard — Hymns
Maverick City Music & Kirk Franklin — Kingdom Book One
James Fortune — My Life
Tennessee State University — The Urban Hymnal

Outstanding Duo, Group, or Collaboration (Traditional)
Kendrick Lamar feat. Blxst & Amanda Reifer — “Die Hard”
Mary J. Blige feat. H.E.R. — “Good Morning Gorgeous Remix”
PJ Morton feat. Alex Isley and Jill Scott — “Still Believe”
Silk Sonic — “Love’s Train”
Summer Walker, Cardi B, and SZA — “No Love”

Outstanding Duo, Group, or Collaboration (Contemporary)
Beyoncé feat. Grace Jones and Tems — “MOVE”
Chris Brown feat. Wizkid — “Call Me Every Day”
City Girls feat. Usher — “Good Love”
Future feat. Drake and Tems — “Wait For U”
Latto feat. Mariah Carey and DJ Khaled — “Big Energy (Remix)”

Outstanding Music Video/Visual Album
Lizzo — “About Damn Time”
Beyoncé — “Be Alive”
Rihanna — “Lift Me Up”
Tobe Nwigwe feat. FAT, Pharrell, and Olu of EarthGang — “Lord Forgive Me”
Kendrick Lamar — “The Heart Part 5”

Outstanding Soundtrack/Compilation Album
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever – Ryan Coogler, Ludwig Göransson, Archie Davis, and Dave Jordan
Bridgerton Season Two (Soundtrack from the Netflix Series) — Kris Bowers
Entergalactic — Kid Cudi
P-Valley: Season 2 (Music From the Original TV Series) — Various Artists
The Woman King — Terence Blanchard

Outstanding Male Artist
Brent Faiyaz — Wasteland
Burna Boy — Love, Damini
Chris Brown – Breezy (Deluxe)
Drake – Honestly, Nevermind
Kendrick Lamar – Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers

Outstanding Female Artist
Ari Lennox — age/sex/location
Beyoncé — Renaissance
Chlöe — Surprise
Jazmine Sullivan — Hurt Me So Good
SZA — SOS

Outstanding Soul/R&B Song
Lizzo — “About Damn Time”
Beyoncé — “Cuff It”
Mary J. Blige feat. H.E.R. — “Good Morning Gorgeous Remix”
Jazmine Sullivan — “Hurt Me So Good”
Rihanna — “Lift Me Up”

Outstanding Hip Hop/Rap Song
Armani White — “Billie Eilish”
Fivio Foreign — “City of Gods”
Quavo & Takeoff — “Hotel Lobby”
Kendrick Lamar — “The Heart Part 5”
Future feat. Drake and Tems — “Wait for U”

Outstanding Album
Ari Lennox — age/sex/location
Chris Brown — Breezy (Deluxe)
Kendrick Lamar — Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers
Beyoncé — Renaissance
PJ Morton — Watch the Sun

Some artists covered here are Warner Music artists. Uproxx is an independent subsidiary of Warner Music Group.

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Damon Albarn Has Revealed That The Gorillaz Movie Has Been Shelved Following Netflix’s Animation Downsize

We are just days away from Gorillaz eighth studio album, Cracker Island. While Gorillaz fans are elated to finally hear the band’s much-anticipated record in full, they may be disappointed to learn that an upcoming Netflix movie starring the band isn’t going to see the light of day.

Gorillaz creator Damon Albarn confirmed the news during an interview with Belgian publication HUMO, which was conducted in Dutch, but Google Translated to English.

Albarn said the project was “permanently suspended” after Netflix recently purged several of its animated projects and downsized their animation departments.

“They started to panic because they were making too much content and decided to cut back on their movie offerings,” said Albarn. “And, as has been classic Hollywood practice for decades, the guy we were working with has moved on to another company. From then on you have lost your guardian angel, and there seems to be a bad smell hanging on you. Hollywood is quite territorial: if a new guy comes along, he must and will have a different opinion, even if he secretly agrees with his predecessor.”

Cracker Island is out 2/24 via Parlophone. You can pre-save it here.

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Bryan-Michael Cox Joins Love Renaissance (LVRN) As Their New Senior VP, A&R, And Executive Producer

Bryan-Michael Cox has a laundry list of accomplishments to his name, but the Grammy Award-winning producer and songwriter is far from done with his music career. Today, the hip-hop and R&B label Love Renaissance (LVRN) announced that Cox was appointed as the label’s Senior Vice President, A&R, and Executive Producer. The news comes after Cox collaborated with DVSN, who is signed to LVRN under a management deal, on their recent album Working on My Karma. Cox contributed to five of the album’s 12 songs.

In his role, Cox will focus on breaking new talent as well as furthering the label’s strong roster of artists that include Summer Walker, 6lack, and more. “A&R has become a lost art in this new generation of music because of the gap in relationship between A&R, the artist and the label,” LVRN co-founder Justice Baiden said in a press release. “Bryan-Michael Cox is a respected and accomplished producer and executive, and he’s the perfect addition to our team to help continue in bridging that gap. Bryan not only speaks the same language as the artist, but he also shares the same values as LVRN.” He later added, “When I think of someone who handles music with care, I think of Bryan and we’re excited to welcome him home to Atlanta and LVRN.”

Cox also shared his excitement about his new role in the press release. “The time is right for this union because what LVRN has been able to do culturally is incredible,” he said. “The commitment to the full picture of artist development is something that this business has been missing. From the single selections to album track listing to the rollouts, each artist has been launched uniquely with care.” He continued, “I have a great track record of being able to bond with artists, get the best out of them, and, of course, being able to create or identify hit records. This is a perfect fit.”

Cox’s addition to the LVRN team comes after the label was valued at over $100 million after Matt Pincus invested $25 million in the group. Pincus is the co-founder and CEO of MUSIC, a holding company he co-founded.

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Liam Gallagher Has A Message For The ‘Jealous Ugly F*cks’ Criticizing Nepo Babies

After the nepo baby discourse has died down somewhat, it seems Liam Gallagher is finally offering his thoughts about it all. And, in typical fashion, he did not hold back one bit.

“All this snizzle about famous folks kids out earning a crust least they’re not out mugging old people zip it ya jealous ugly f*cks LG x,” he tweeted today (February 21).

The Oasis musician has two sons, Lennon and Gene, and two daughters, Molly and Gemma. Gene has performed as a drummer with his father during last summer’s Etihad Stadium show in Manchester. A few days earlier, Liam confirmed that he will be joining him again for this summer’s shows.

His mother, Nicole Appleton, posted a photo of Gene behind the kit at the time, captioning, “My boy!! Soo proud!!.”

Both of Liam’s sons also recently appeared at the Burberry show at London Fashion Week. Gene was seated in the front row while Lennon walked the runway. (Iris Law, Jude Law’s daughter, was also among the famous models in the fashion show.) This might have been why Liam chose to weigh in now.

“Lennon smashed the Burberry show. What did you think? Is he cooler than you yet?” one fan asked.

“He is at the moment as I’m mash up but I’ll be back saucier than ever,” Liam replied, leaving things optimistic.

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De La Soul’s Maseo Returned To Social Media After Trugoy’s Death With A Nostalgic Trip Down Memory Lane

The news of De La Soul member Trugoy The Dove’s death was met with a wave of appreciative and grief-stricken posts from all over hip-hop, but the voices of his bandmates were conspicuously (and understandably) absent. And although Posdnous — aka Plug One — has yet to return to social media, Maseo — aka Plug Three — returned to Instagram for the first time in almost a week to share a few nostalgic posts in a guided tour down memory lane.

One photo he shared featured the three Plugs and their then-producer Prince Paul as they signed their initial recording contract with Tommy Boy Records — the same contract that they only recently resolved to win back control of their publishing rights.

In another post, he revealed that he still has his leather medallion from the 3 Feet High And Rising era. The Afrocentric trappings of De La’s early output are still seen as an antidote to materialism and excess in hip-hop, and clearly, Maseo is still proud to have offered that alternative to rap fans.

The timing of Trugoy’s death was especially tragic, as De La Soul had just announced that their catalog would finally be available to stream in just a few weeks. They should finally get some of the flowers they always deserved — no pun intended — but one of their number won’t be around to enjoy it.

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David Fincher Explains Why There (Probably) Will Never Be A Third Season Of ‘Mindhunter’

David Fincher has some bad news for Mindhunter fans. The FBI series has been on hold at Netflix and the chances for a Season 3 have only gotten slimmer as time goes on. That said, some of the show’s creatives have hinted that there’s a possibility that Netflix could bring the profiling series back if enough fans watch the previous seasons, but Fincher doesn’t seem to believe that’s the case.

While talking to the French publication, Le Journal du Dimanche, here’s what Fincher said about the prospects of a Season 3 and it doesn’t look good. That said, Fincher’s response is via Google Translate, which could be why it starts to sound like a fortune cookie at the end:

I’m very proud of the first two seasons. But it’s a particularly expensive show and, in the eyes of Netflix, we haven’t attracted a large enough audience to justify such an investment. I don’t blame them, they took risks to launch the series, gave me the means to do as I dreamed Mank [his black and white film on Hollywood in the 1930s] and they allowed me to venture on new paths with The Killer. It’s a chance to be able to work with people capable of audacity. The day when our desires will no longer be the same, we will have to be honest to separate.

Fincher’s assessment tracks with previous reports. The show is not cheap and wasn’t bringing enough views for Netflix to justify the expenditure. Which is a real shame because the third season plot sounded pretty great.

“What they were going to do with season three was they were going to go [to] Hollywood,” Mindhunter director Andrew Dominik revealed to Collider last year. “So one of them was going to be hooking up with Jonathan Demme and the other one was going to be hooking up with Michael Mann. And it was all going to be about profiling making it into the sort of zeitgeist, the public consciousness.”

(Via Le Journal du Dimanche)

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Will ‘You’ Be Renewed For Season 5?

(Spoilers for You will obviously be found below.)

You switched gears in Season 4 by taking Stalker Joe to London, and the show became less compulsively watchable and more filled with ennui, given that Joe became the stalker and also lost a lot of his fire. That hasn’t stopped viewers from flocking to the show, however. Variety reports that Part 1 of Season 4 has churned out respectable numbers with the show scoring 92.07 million hours streamed in the first week. That’s not top-tier stuff, but that’s Top 10 territory in 90 countries.

One can expect the show to still keep going after Season 4 Part 2 arrives on March 9, if Netflix decides that it’s worth the ride. Will producers of the show want to keep going, though? Penn Badgley has already gone on record (a few times) to declare that he’s no longer interested in doing sex scenes, and showrunner Sara Gamble was apparently good with this. As well, Gamble sounds like she’s “in” if the call gets made to make Season 4. Here’s what she told The Hollywood Reporter:

“We have an idea for season five that we’re excited about. It was never anyone’s intention to run this one into the ground. When we’re done, we’ll be done. And we’ll pack it up. Even in the early conversations with Penn, the idea was not to crank out episodes forever; it’s to feel like we have told the complete story. And though I feel like tonally, we’re very different and we are not trying to sell Joe as any kind of a hero with a straight face. This is a show that is in the tradition of these single-lead shows with a guy who does increasingly bad things. The beautiful thing about it is that when his arc is complete, so is the show.”

So, it sounds like there will be a Season 5? God only knows that Netflix will feel the wrath of several million Joe fans if they make the call to quit it. As well, Penn Badgley will probably keep boogying on TikTok in his spare time, so viewers can always get their fix.

You returns on March 9.