If you thought air travel was a sh*t experience before we started living in a pandemic, then you’re about to long for the days of TSA frisks, delayed flights, and slow Uber drivers who you inevitably blame for you missing your flight because you didn’t have the good sense to leave five minutes early. Once you’re feeling brave enough and have a good reason to risk jumping on a plane again, be prepared to wait as much as four hours before you actually get to board your flight due to the additional screening procedures and security measures that are already in place at airports across the country in an effort to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

Don’t expect to kill that extra time grabbing a drink at an airport bar either, those probably won’t be open. Instead, you’ll spend those extra four hours waiting around and trying to avoid getting close to other people until you’re on the plane. Not easily done at an airport.

According to airline marketing consulting firm, Simpliflying, travelers should expect a scenario where they arrive at least four hours in advance of their departure to give themselves an adequate amount of time to go through additional screening procedures, possibly being shuttled through disinfectant tunnels, and having to wait for routine cleanings of frequently touched surfaces. Passengers may also have to endure what is known as “bingo boarding,” a process where individuals are let onto an airplane by seat number rather than the section in an effort to avoid crowding and pileups. Considering people don’t even wait for their zone to be called to start boarding, this experience sounds like it may cause some frustrations.

Fox Business reports that the TSA has started implementing new rules to keep people the recommended six feet apart, and will relax rules on expired licenses until October 1st, and allow passengers to bring 12-ounce bottles of hand sanitizer on board, as well as provide additional PPE to those who request it. While those tweaks may add time to the experience, they absolutely sound like logical, common-sense initiatives, considering the information we currently have.

For international travel, the situation may be even more extreme. According to The Points Guy when Hong Kong-based journalist Laurel Chor documented her experience at the Hong Kong International Airport on May 14th, she was subjected to a lengthy screening process that took eight full hours. Detailing the experience on Twitter, Chor explained that she had to fill out a quarantine order and good-health declaration, download a tracking app, and receive a COVID-19 test, as well as report her method of transportation home.

Despite testing negative, Chor was still subject to a 14-day quarantine in her home before she’d be allowed to enter public life in Hong Kong. Breaking quarantine could result in a fine of $3,225 and six months in prison.

Forbes found that 9 out of 10 travel experts surveyed agreed that turnaround times between flights will increase due to thorough cabin cleanings and sanitary measures and expect the use of digital technologies and automated services to increase throughout the airport experience. Future air travel will likely include the use of facial recognition during the boarding process, which is already used in some US airports, as well as the use of immunity passports once a vaccine is available. Major airlines are also considering disinfection tunnels with the use of UV light or sanitary solutions, as well as on-the-spot blood tests, mandatory self-check-in, self bag-drop-off, and the end of lounges.

Michael B. Jordan has reportedly landed the lead role in Methuselah, a film based on the Biblical character who lived to be 969 years old.

The film will be the next from director Danny Boyle, but Jordan wasn’t the first choice for the role. According to Variety, Tom Cruise was originally attached to the project, which Warner Bros. is hoping to turn into a franchise. However, the studio has been looking to keep Jordan in-house following the success of the Creed films, and apparently the Biblical epic fit the bill.

While the character is mostly noted for his advanced age in the Christian Bible, Methuselah does appear in other religious texts where he has an especially close connection to God, which results in him being a key figure shortly before the Great Flood that cleansed the earth. In fact, Anthony Hopkins portrayed the extremely aged character in Darren Aronofsky’s Noah. As for which texts Boyle’s film will pull from is unknown, but 969 years should provide a whole lot of material for a franchise.

The role is an interesting choice for Jordan given recent rumors that he might be replacing Henry Cavill as Superman in the DC Cinematic Universe. J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot is now working exclusively with Warner Bros., and the word is that his production company is working on a new film for the Man of Steel that could potentially star the Black Panther actor.

In the meantime, Jordan will be blasting into theaters this October in the adaptation of Tom Clancy’s Without Remorse. The film is yet another franchise for Jordan as he takes on the role of CIA agent John Clark who’s a regular staple in Clancy’s Jack Ryan novels. Unlike Ryan, who uses his skills as analyst, Clark is the guy you send in when things need to be done quickly and brutally.

(Via Variety)

Ariana Grande and Justin Bieber recently joined forces for the heartwarming track “Stuck With U.” The song was released for charity, with proceeds going towards funding grants and scholarships for children of essential workers who have been impacted by the pandemic. Aptly titled, the collaboration was written and recorded all while in quarantine. The singers were able to create the song in isolation with the help of their home studios, and Grande used hers to produce the track. Now, Grande sheds a light on her process in a behind-the-scenes explanation.

Sharing a self-shot video to social media, Grande said that vocal production is one of her “favorite parts” of her job. “So I have no idea if this is going to be interesting to you or not. But I’m sitting at my little home setup, my little studio I have here,” Grande said, “and I wanted to share with you a little bit of the ‘Stuck With U’ session that I vocal produced, because this is one of my favorite parts of what I do.”

Recording her computer screen, Grande detailed how she cuts and pastes different vocal takes together to smoothly align. The singer explained her creative decision to add in snippets of her dogs as well as some laughs she shared while recording. “I really wanted to put that because it captures the vibe of being at home,” she said.

Watch Grande’s behind-the-scenes videos above.

Life as a sports fan has been awfully tricky over the last couple of months. Obviously the No. 1 priority everyone has is staying safe and healthy during the COVID-19 pandemic, but at the same time, it’s been weird going from multiple games across a number of sports happening on a daily basis to absolutely nothing.

Slowly but surely, a few things have returned. Baseball in Korea, for example, has gotten off the ground in recent weeks, and while those games air stateside in the wee hours of the morning on ESPN every now and then, it’s still something fun to watch. The same goes for various eSports leagues, some of which had shortened hiatuses but are back up and running.

The world of soccer has been impacted on a number of levels — leagues paused, while major international tournaments were pushed to next summer. There is, though, a light at the end of one of the myriad of tunnels, as Germany’s Bundesliga is slated to resume this weekend. The same goes for the country’s second division, the aptly named 2. Bundesliga.

We won’t worry about the second division for now, in part because the top level of German football is perhaps the most entertaining soccer league on earth. When comparing it to American sports, Bill Connelly of ESPN compared it to Big 12 football, citing “points and offensive aggression” as qualities shared by both leagues.

“Best way I can put it is, it never feels like the ball is in the middle third,” Connelly told Uproxx when asked why the league is so much fun. “It feels like it’s in more dangerous areas more frequently. And teams are good enough in counter attack that there’s constant racing up and down. And more goals, of course. It’s a young, optimistic style, and it’s aesthetically pleasing.”

Basically, the Bundesliga is the best entry point into soccer for people who want to get into soccer but have no idea where to start. And there might not be a better time than this weekend, given the lack of anything else in the world of sports. As such, we tossed together a very brief guide to get you prepared for the coming weeks of Bundesliga action, which kicks off on Saturday at 9:30 a.m. ET and runs through Monday afternoon stateside.

What does the title race look like?

The single-best title race in major world football right now is in Germany. Liverpool all but won the Premier League. PSG all but won Ligue 1 before the year was called. Real Madrid and Barcelona are battling for La Liga for the 10,000th year in a row. Serie A is a fun two-team race between Juventus and Lazio.

In the Bundesliga, four teams — Bayern Munich (55 points), Borussia Dortmund (51), RB Leipzig (50), and Borussia Mönchengladbach (49) — are within six points of one another, with Bayer Leverkusen (47) in shouting distance with nine games remaining in the campaign. This is, admittedly, a touch misleading, as Bayern may have been playing the best footy of any club in the world when things stopped back in March. By 538’s Global Club Soccer Rankings, the Bavarians are just a hair below Manchester City for the title of the world’s best, but you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone saying the English giants were playing better heading into the shutdown. Among Europe’s five-best leagues, only PSG (a statistical outlier due to the weakness of their league) and City (see the last sentence) were better in expected goal differential.

Having said all of this, the Bundesliga is weird. Bayern have to play all three of Dortmund, Gladbach, and Leverkusen before the campaign is decided. Ryan O’Hanlon, over at ESPN, explained that Leipzig has an easier path than Dortmund to upending Bayern. Gladbach, while good, just might not have the horsepower to have too much to say here, while it would take a miracle for Leverkusen to make much of a jump. Still, the overwhelming favorite is Bayern. They are that good.

So should I just watch Bayern?

Of course not! Yes, tune into Bayern, because they are magnificent — there are tons of big names, but in my opinion, pay special attention to Alphonso Davies, a Canadian teenager who might end up being one of the best players in the world in the next few years and is dominating despite playing fullback, which is not his natural position. They also have Robert Lewandowski, who has been among the best strikers in the world for years and has taken his game to a new level this campaign, and David Alaba, who is on here because I adore him (he moved to center back from fullback earlier this year and is one of the best in the world at the position already). But the thing with the Bundesliga is it is so much fun that any random match you turn on is almost certainly going to be worth your time.

Example: The first slate of fixtures on Saturday, which kick off at 9:30 a.m. EST, include Dortmund-Schalke and Leipzig-Freiburg. We can forget Freiburg for a moment, as they’re not particularly great, but in a way, they are the perfect first foe for Leipzig, which boast gobs of young talent, are one of the most tactically flexible sides on earth, and have the second-best goalscorer in the league in Timo Werner. Schalke are a fine side — they sit in sixth and are one of the league’s more conservative bunches — but this is a rivalry fixture against Dortmund, football’s chaos agents who attack relentlessly and oftentimes leave their defense wide open. An example from earlier this year:

That sounds fun!

It is!

You seem to really like these three teams.

Personally, I am not a particularly big Bayern fan for reasons we won’t get into, but yeah, they’re all fun, and you’d probably enjoy watching them, although it is certainly plausible that all three play a little more conservatively in their first match or two considering the amount of time they’ve had off.

Talk to me about Mönchengladbach and Leverkusen.

Sure. Gladbach are an extremely solid side, one that did hit a bit of a rough patch in league play before things went on hiatus — they accrued 15 of a possible 27 points in the nine matches before the league was suspended, which is OK, just not quite what you want when you’re fighting for a top-4 spot, is all. Still, their underlying numbers are good, as they’re third in the league in expected goal differential and, despite their lack of a ruthless goalscorer in the likes of Lewandowski, Werner, or Dortmund’s Erling Haaland and Jadon Sancho, are also third in non-penalty expected goals and assists per 90 minutes. A pair of talented Frenchmen, Alassane Pléa and Marcus Thuram, are very much worth the price of admission.

Leverkusen, meanwhile, was in the midst of some scintillating football in the lead-up to the hiatus. They had taken 22 of a possible 27 points, which included a 4-3 win over Dortumund. While their best goalscorer is German forward Kevin Volland you should make it a point to watch Leverkusen because of their precocious midfielder Kai Havertz, a 20-year-old ace who has the potential to lead the next generation of German footballers.

It seems like there are a lot of good young players in Germany worth watching, Bill.

There are, voice in my head making the other part of this dialogue! Just among players 22 and under, the aforementioned Havertz and Thuram are tremendous, Bayern’s Davies is going to be a superstar and is in the midst of one of the most impressive rises we’ve seen recently, and moving down the table, plenty of clubs have entrusted major minutes to youngsters — Schalke’s Weston McKennie and Ozan Kabak, Wolfsburg’s Xaver Schlager and Josip Brekalo, Koln’s Sebastiaan Bornauw, etc.

The clubs that best handle youngsters, though, are Dortmund and Leipzig, both of which are factories for developing talent and flipping them for major money. Dortmund might have two of the three-best youngsters on the planet attacking in English ace Jadon Sancho, who is 20, and Haaland, who is 19, joined in midseason, and has all the makings of someone who will be mentioned as the best player in the world. Beyond them, 20-year-old Frenchman Dan Axel Zagadou and 21-year-old Moroccan Achraf Hakimi are fixtures in their defense, while 17-year-old American Giovanni Reyna has broken into the side as a reserve. Leipzig’s list of youngsters is also quite impressive: 20-year-old Matheus Cunha (Brazil), 21-year-olds Tyler Adams (United States) and Dayot Upamecano (France, he is insanely good in defense), along with 21-year-olds Amadou Haidara (Mali), Nordi Mukiele (France), and Christopher Nkunku (France).

You mentioned a few Americans. Christian Pulisic broke out in Germany, right?

He did!

Is he still there?

No he’s at Chelsea, but he was at Dortmund.

Ah!

It’s fine! Over the last year, Germany has become a destination for all sorts of talented youngsters, and a number of Americans have carved out roles in the league. Pulisic is the best recent example, but that was the case before him, too — Landon Donovan’s professional career, for example, started at Leverkusen.

Currently, the Americans generating the most buzz are McKennie (a very solid midfielder for Schalke who is a fixture for the national team), Adams (Leipzig, had been injured but is a ball of kinetic energy in the midfield or at fullback), and Reyna (he’s 17!). Make it a point to watch all of them, but especially Adams, who could end up snatching the title of the world’s best American from Pulisic sooner rather than later, which says more about Adams than Pulisic.

They’re hardly the only Americans in the league, though. John Brooks (you might recall) is a stalwart in defense for Wolfsburg and is the national team’s best defender when healthy. Former national teamers Timothy Chandler and Fabian Johnson ply their trade for Eintracht Frankfurt and Gladbach, respectively. Düsseldorf’s Alfredo Morales is a tenacious midfielder, Josh Sargent’s had an up-and-mostly down campaign for Werder Bremen but might be America’s striker of the future, and while he is injured, the national team’s No. 1 keeper, Zack Steffen, plays for Düsseldorf on loan from Manchester City.

Alright, I’ll tune in. What’s the schedule look like?

Here are this weekend’s fixtures with television information, all times are ET:

Saturday, May 16

Borussia Dortmund vs. Schalke, 9:30 a.m., FS1
RB Leipzig vs. Freiburg, 9:30 a.m., FS2
Hoffenheim vs. Hertha Berlin, 9:30 a.m., Fox Soccer Matchpass
Fortuna Dusseldorf vs. Paderborn, 9:30 a.m., Fox Soccer Matchpass
Augsburg vs. Wolfsburg, 9:30 a.m., Fox Soccer Plus
Eintracht Frankfurt vs. Borussia Monchengladbach, 12:30 p.m. FS1

Sunday, May 17

Cologne vs. Mainz, 9:30 a.m., FS1
Union Berlin vs. Bayern Minich, 12 p.m., FS1

Monday, May 18

Werder Bremen vs. Bayer Leverkusen, 2:30 p.m., FS2

Very good, anything else I need to know?

Sure, real quick, here’s how testing is gonna go. As ESPN explained, players and staffers will get tested twice weekly, via nose and throat swabs as to make sure the likelihood of false positive results are reduced. Clubs are staying in isolated areas with the hopes of keeping players from contracting COVID-19, and if players or staffers test positive, they’ll go into quarantine. Also, as you can guess, stadiums will be empty, which is an unfortunate necessity, as atmospheres in Germany are perhaps the best in the world.

This all seems weird and like things could backfire pretty easily.

Yup!

Is it gonna work?

I have no idea, but I’ll certainly be watching on Saturday morning, and if the league can resume without hitting and major bumps in the road — the biggest “if” in all of sports right now — do not be surprised if other leagues get back onto the pitch sooner rather than later.

Justin Vernon has involved himself in a number of endeavors outside of Bon Iver, like the supergroup Gayngs, which was founded by Poliça’s Ryan Olson. The group has been inactive since releasing their 2010 debut album Relayted, which came out almost exactly ten years ago (May 11, 2010). Now, out of nowhere, the group has returned with a new song, “Appeayl 2 U.”

The relaxing and relatively freeform track incorporates influences from soft rock and electronic music (much more so the former than the latter). The song runs for about five-and-a-half minutes, although the last 90 seconds or so are silent. The track features contributions for a large number of the group’s members, including Vernon (on synths and guitar). There are others not part of the group’s original lineup as well, like Velvet Negroni and Naeem Juwan, the latter of whom had an i,i song named after them. Olson’s credited contribution is producing the song.

The group took to Twitter to explain why they decided to put out a new song now, saying, “Tonight the band GAYNGS was scheduled to play at First Avenue as a part of their 50th anniversary shows and an homage to the last time Prince hopped out the back of a minivan, with a guitar strapped on, 2 his club. But PLANS HAVE CHANNGED… so we decided to release one of the new songs that we would have played.”

Listen to “Appeayl 2 U” above.

Saturday Night Live’s 45th season is finally in the books, finishing out with three episodes of the “At Home” variety while the rest of the world deals with the COVID-19 pandemic. Given the unprecedented nature of the season, the subject matter of the show often touched on what people are doing to fill time while in isolation, which led to a number of sketches about gaming.

The first was Mikey Day playing a frustrated streamer who kept getting nuked at Call of Duty: Warzone. And now, we have a somewhat belated look at the meanest Animal Crossing: New Horizons island in the game’s otherwise adorable history. In the sketch, which was released as a digital exclusive on Friday, Melissa Villaseñor and Day hop on a video call to play Animal Crossing together. But while Day is having a lovely time getting acclimated to the island wilderness, Villaseñor is encountering animals saying things like this to her.

Clearly, the editors enjoyed taking screengrabs from the game and putting new text over them, as basically everyone in the game is far too nice to say things like that. Even bullying animals off your island is done pretty gently, relatively speaking. As the sketch continues, Day tries to visit his friend’s island to see if he’s getting the same kind of hate. And while Tom Nook doesn’t hope he gets coronavirus, it’s clear that the animals don’t like living with Melissa very much.

What’s interesting about the sketch is that the islands they appear on are basically brand new. Day, in fact, is wearing the gingham shirt you can get as starting clothing. However, in the video it’s clear that Villaseñor has the hard-to-find Animal Crossing Switch bundle, as you can see from the controller in her hand.

It’s clear that she’s a fan of Animal Crossing, as she does a pretty spectacular Isabelle impression, complete with warbled words and all. But it’s very likely that she’s been playing since launch day in mid March, which begs the question: did she have to delete her launch day island just to play out the sketch? Or did someone else buy a copy of New Horizons to get the video needed for the very mean comments?

Given the timestamps on the game that pop up when you stop moving, we know they’ve been working on this for at least a few weeks now. The scene where her character is murdered, for example, was video captured on May 4. So perhaps they’re further along on this new island at this point, anyway. And if that’s a bit too much negativity in your island experience, please enjoy this video from the musicians who made New Horizons‘ soothing title track.

Ah, that’s better.

Sharon Van Etten has a talent for transforming popular songs into haunting ballads. The singer is known for her rendition of Sinead O’Connor’s “Black Boys On Mopeds,” which she regularly performs at live shows. Back in December, the singer shared a soaring version of the holiday classic “Silent Night.” Now, Van Etten has enlisted the help of Queens Of The Stone Age vocalist Josh Homme and others to record a version of Nick Lowe’s “(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love And Understanding.”

Linking up with Homme and a handful of session players, Van Etten injects her singer/songwriter style into the cover. Popularized by Elvis Costello on his 1979 album Armed Forces, Lowe’s “Peace, Love And Understanding” confronts a loss of humanity. “I ask myself / Is all hope lost? Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?” Van Etten sings.

Sharing the cover to social media, Van Etten detailed how the cover transpired: “When my friend Zach Dawes first suggested we try to cover Nick Lowe’s timeless song, ‘Peace, Love, & Understanding’, I was nervous and excited and wondered what direction we would take it together,” she wrote. Van Etten added that the cover leaves her “wistful” because it reminds her that she is a part of a “great community” of people in LA and the song feels “especially significant” now.

Listen to Van Etten and Homme cover “(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding” above.

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FIFA’s ruling council will announce the host nation of the 2023 Women’s World Cup on June 25 during a virtual meeting, soccer’s governing body announced Friday. Individual bids from the soccer federations of Brazil, Japan, and Colombia, along with a joint bid from Australia and New Zealand, are being considered in what FIFA called “the most competitive bidding process in the history of the Women’s World Cup.”

Hosting the 2023 tournament would be a first for all of the bidding nations. The FIFA Women’s World Cup was introduced as a competition in 1991 in China. Since then, Sweden, Germany and Canada have each hosted once, China hosted for a second time in 2007, the United States has hosted twice ⁠— at back-to-back tournaments in 1999 and 2003 ⁠— and France hosted last year’s event. The 2019 tournament saw the U.S. women’s national team dominate the opposition as they won their fourth World Cup, becoming the most successful team in Women’s World Cup history.

Originally, the hosts for the 2023 Women’s World Cup were supposed to be chosen at a FIFA Council meeting in June, however the global coronavirus pandemic pushed those plans back. Members of FIFA visited each of the four bidding sites for inspections in January and February of this year, and are “now finalising the evaluation report, which will be published in early June.” The results of June 25th’s ballot and voting rounds will be made public on FIFA’s website, according to the organization’s statement.

“FIFA remains committed to implementing the most comprehensive, objective and transparent bidding process in the history of the FIFA Women’s World Cup. This is part of our overall commitment to women’s football that, among other things, will see FIFA invest USD 1 billion in women’s football during the current cycle,” said FIFA Secretary General Fatma Samoura in the release.

The 2023 Women’s World Cup will also see 32 teams take the field for the first time in the event’s history. The last two tournament, both won by the USWNT, had included 24 teams which was expanded from 16 in 2015.

No decision on an increase in prize money for 2023 has been made yet by FIFA, but the organization announced in 2018 that prize money for the 2022 men’s tournament would increase from $400 million to $440 million. As 2019 world champions, the USWNT earned $4 million in prize money compared to France’s $38 million for the 2018 men’s title, which included 32 teams. Furthermore, as Rachel Bachman of the Wall Street Journal reported, while the 2019 Women’s World Cup attracted about 31 percent of the men’s global audience, “FIFA awarded the women 7.5 percent of the total prize money the men receive: $30 million, versus $400 million.” In July 2019, FIFA President Gianni Infantino said that he would propose that the prize money for the 2023 Women’s World Cup double to $60 million, but further details have yet to be announced.

COVID-19 has changed the shape of… f*cking everything. The restaurant industry, modern fashion, movies premieres, sex — it’s all already shifted and will continue to shift. Be ready, friends, we live in a new world. A world where we’ve got no choice but co-exist with the coronavirus. A world where nothing is a given and the word “normal” is obliterated.

So what — precisely — does this new world look like?

No one really knows yet. We’re finding out in real-time, adjusting on the fly, and doing our best to navigate the unmapped territory. We’re listening to thought leaders and experts as they make educated guesses about the future. We’re evaluating information as it comes. With regard to the actual science and epidemiology involved in the spread of COVID, we urge you to listen to the scientists (that sounds obvious, but clearly… isn’t). As for the future of how we live, UPROXX is tapping visionaries and tastemakers who we can count on to predict the next wave of culture with a balance of hope and realism.

People like Coltrane Curtis.

For the past 20 years, Curtis’ basic job description has been that he has an impeccable litmus test for what’s cool. He was the founder of G-Unit clothing, an editor at Complex, Ecko Unlimited’s VP of Marketing, and an ex-MTV veejay. Most recently, Curtis co-founded the NYC-based Team Epiphany — an agency that has carved a niche by being the first place brands go when they want to know how to get the attention of young people. The firm throws parties, curates experiences and pop-up events, and generally “influences culture.” Their clients are huge. We’re talking HBO, Nike, Coke, Absolut… you get the idea.

When countrywide orders and social distancing measures put an end to public gatherings, Curtis and his team pivoted from an event planning platform to embracing the digital space in order to promote HBO’s latest season of Insecure. Prior to the season premiere, they put together a virtual Block Party on Instagram — featuring Q&A sessions with series star and creator Issa Rae, along with the cast and crew, DJ sets, Twitter watch parties, and a surprise performance by Jidenna. It was intimate and personal while also being completely inclusive and open, a tough thing to pull off in an online-only setting.

With the cities slowly opening up and everyone doing their damndest to navigate our collective new normal, we reached out to Curtis to discuss the future of public events, social interactions, and streetwear.

Knowing that every question is caveated with “In your personal opinion, with the knowledge currently available and knowing that everything could change by tomorrow”… what will public events look like in these next few months?

I think initially large scale events are going to be tabled… I think smaller more intimate experiences are going to be the way to go for the next couple of months. For the duration of this year, I don’t think we will really look to larger experiences.

There’s no substitute for that face-to-face, hand-to-hand kind of contact that we’re used to, and trying to think that virtual is going to do the same thing — It doesn’t, right? It does other things. We have to figure out the way in which we can emotionally touch people without physically being there in their faces. And you can do that virtually. But, I think when the larger-scale experiences do come back, what’s going to be really special is to watch IRL meeting the virtual, social, digital world. They’re going to live together.

Come 2021, we’re going to see the merger of digital, virtual, social, and experiential in an entirely new way.

Off the top of your head. Is there a way that you can imagine large-scale parties or events in an era where we have to social distance? Or is that just something that’s really not compatible with life right now?

I think you can be clever about it. No being in a nightclub with 500 people and you’re waiting with people in a queue to get in behind you — those days aren’t really going to be there. And I think there’s a very small set of people who are tone-deaf to what’s going on. There’s always going to be outliers. You kind of see what’s going on in Miami and other states opening up, and people crowding beaches, but I don’t think that’s the norm, right? I think what’s really happening is that people are being responsible and respectful of others and their health and others’ health.

Unfortunately, those larger experiences are going to be more difficult to come back, but I think there are clever ways to attack it. It’s like, you can’t put a lot of people in a shared space, but we can have drive-in movie theater experiences where you could have a boat ton of cars that you’re talking to. The drive-in theater experience could be really amazing. We’re actually checking with California state laws right now, in terms of how many cars can we gather If people don’t leave their vehicles. I might be able to have a thousand cars parked to watch a movie for a movie premiere. That would be interesting, right?

But the first thing, and I think the biggest challenge about this whole experience, is access to facts, access to information so you know how to pivot, and creative people know how to create. That’s the biggest, frustrating thing. There are so many different rules and laws and states are running themselves. And so, it makes it very difficult for us to then figure out how do we navigate?

How do you see public interaction in general changing? Are things like handshakes officially over? What does human interaction look like after this?

I have an eight-year-old that’s pretty much going on about 16. And I think their resiliency is now creating what’s going to be the new normal. I think it’s the old people who are very much scared about not being able to dap or give a handshake or a high five, but the younger kids who are going to come through this could care less. They’re just going to figure it out and move along, they’re not so set in these practices.

I think it’s the older people who are averse to digital spaces and doing things and pushing envelopes like that. It’s us old dinosaurs that it’s going to be very difficult for, but I feel like the younger kids if they can’t dap and can’t give a handshake, they’ll do their own thing.

I think — are we going to be hanging out in the park and laying out on the beaches? I’m not really interested in that. I don’t think that’s going to be safe for a while. I mean, I almost don’t think it’s going to be safe until we really find a vaccine.

What do movie theaters look like? I think that’s going to evolve. The day of just like hundreds or thousands of people together at a concert, I don’t think that’s going to happen. I think the other things that could happen are intimate experiences, especially for artists. When you think about back in the day, this is how I age myself, with the whole MTV Unplugged piece. It was big artists in a small room.

What that does is it drives the cost up. So now I might pick and choose who I want to go see. But I would rather go see my favorite artist in a 50 person jazz club than I would in a 50,000 person arena. I think everything is going to evolve. Some things will change for the better and obviously some things will change for the worse, but I would love to see Jay Z in a 50 person room. I don’t know about you.

The question is — can we afford it?

You’ve been in and around style for some time. How do you see style and streetwear moving forward post lockdown?

I liked that you called it style and not fashion because I think fashion is dead. I personally do. You see J Crew file for bankruptcy. You see Neiman Marcus file for bankruptcy. They’re in the fashion business. I think style is what’s going to drive other industries to take off. In our newly released zine, there is a really interesting point of view that two of the writers had where one writer said “everybody’s going to come out of this and be super cozy” or cozier than ever. The other writer’s piece was about people wanting to get dressed up because they’ve been slumped, schlubby, and extra cozy in the house for the last four or five months.

My personal take on it is I think cozy is going to be it. Me personally, I’ve been a full sweatsuit guy for the last three years. I figured out how to dress up a sweatsuit so I can sit at a boardroom and still get money. I’ve also figured out how to wear that sweatsuit on the weekend with my kids. I feel like that functional being able to change gears in one look, is going to be of utmost importance. I also feel like value is going to be of utmost importance.

You’re going to start seeing things that wear well, wash well, and are durable. People are going to be very cognizant of how and where and what they’re spending their money on. People are going to now look to quality, not vanity. Like what’s the difference between a reverse weave Champion sweatsuit, or if it’s something that’s collaboration on collaboration that cost four times more. I’m more opt to just pick the solid color reverse weave Champion sweatsuit because I know it’s going to wear well, wash well, and I don’t need the vanity of somebody else telling me that it’s cool because they put a tie-dye or a splash or their logo on it.

I think we’re really going to go back to function and utility and I think that’s going to be the new style. When you think about it, the last time we’ve had one of these kinds of depressions or recessions, military picked up. Ripstop, surplus, Army/ Navy stores — that stuff picked up crazy.

What was it? N65 jackets, army fatigue pants, whether they were desert camo, normal camo, black camo colored, those $29 pants took you wherever you had to go whenever you had to go. Whether you were wearing Wallabees, Jordan’s, or a pair of Tim’s, they were your look. So I think that’s where it’s going to go. I’ve already started decluttering. When I get out of this quarantine, I’m definitely getting rid of a couple of hundred pairs of sneakers at Stadium Goods. I just don’t need those things.

I’d rather spend my time not hoarding, people call it collecting. It’s basically gotten to a point of hoarding.

Why do I need four pairs of the same sneaker in the same colorway? I can go get them whenever I want right? So now I think it’s more about having things that you need. I think people are going to be coveting experiences over things. And that’s what I think is the beauty of what’s going to come out of this, is people are going to start respecting the interaction with one another and making that the premium as opposed to — I’m all dressed up and I’m actually still not having any fun because I don’t care about who I’m with or what I’m doing.

What do you think about face masks?

As I’m talking through my N95 right now! My wife is Chinese. Her family lives in Taiwan and Shanghai. Normally, we travel to Asia four times a year. I’ve been seeing Asian communities wear masks my whole life. I always was kind of confused as to why, or how has this becomes style? And then you see brands like Bathing Ape and then Virgil’s Off-White, who are very heavily consumed throughout Asia, Korea, Japan, Hong Kong. That’s where those brands are built and get their inspiration.

So I think it’s about to just become an extension of everyone’s style. I think it’s going to be a functional piece. Some people might decide to do the bandana thing. Some people might decide to get their favorite mud cloth or kente and make a kind of more ethnic focused thing. But I think masks are going to become a part of people’s extension of their personal style and it’s not going to go away. I’m more of a medical mask guy. I feel like if I’m going to wear it, it needs to do what it’s supposed to do. When I go to Whole Foods I wear a medical mask and I wear one over it. That’s it for me and so I think the mask is here to stay forever.

It’s out of respect for yourself and other people that you could infect, but I don’t want to see a $300 cloth mask, which I’m sure we’re going to see a luxury version of at some point. But I’d rather still spend $12 and have an N95 that I know is blocking things as opposed to something that just looks cool. I think that can be a really good brand extension of medically cleared masks that have a good little look to them, I think is a really interesting new business model.

I imagine this is hitting the reset button on a lot of trends and interests culturally aside from just fashion and public events. So… and I hate to ask this in a time when people are financially panicked… but what do you think the next era of cool looks like after lockdown?

I think the new era is going to really be about domestic exploration and the cool things you can find in the US. I think the airline industry is in the shitter. I think what you’re going to really be able to see are people being able to purchase vehicles and being able to explore their surroundings in ways in which they haven’t before. Before it used to be, “Hey, we can get from New York to London cheaper than you can get to LA.” So what that really allowed you to do was just hop on a plane and go. And now I think the cost of flying is going to go through the roof.

The safety risks of flying is going to kind of keep the lid on that industry. What’s going to happen is that people are now going to have to explore their 500-mile radius in ways in which they haven’t before. The new trend and the new thing will be finding local haunts to try to experience, to try to find some localized hacks to kind of give to your peer groups. I think overall that will turn into actual currency. It’s not about what you’re doing, it’s about where you’re doing it, and the new places that you can explore.

Over quarantine, I’ve been to Bear Mountain or around that area, pretty much every weekend for the last six weeks, because I had to get out of the city and do things with my kids. And so what we really found is that, you know what? Let’s get off this exit here. Let’s try this here. Okay, let’s pull over to the side of the road. “Oh wait, those are the police.”

Respect nature, number one. I’d rather have something that was handmade than something that was manufactured. I’d rather have a story about what I purchased, than it just be a flat garment that’s on my body. I think everything needs depth. And I think that exploration is going to provide the storytelling depth that we need to make those products more valuable. I go back to sneaker collecting, and I’m a sneaker hoarder, and there’s no such thing as exclusive anymore. What made sneakers exclusive was the relationships that you had and who gave you that item. It wasn’t the actual item itself. It was the story behind it. What you’re really starting to see are all these fabricated stories about origin or exclusivity because there is no kind of craftsmanship story behind it. I think the storytelling behind tangible purchases is going to be as valuable as that physical item period.

Exploration is going to be the new trend, and doing it on foot, by bike, by car is going to be the vehicle of choice.

What are your fears for the world in this time? What makes you angry and what gives you hope?

The first thing that I would be worried about is this effect on the next generation and the young kids. My kid is trilingual. Mandarin is his first language. I crafted and curated his existence to be a global citizen and to be able to navigate the world. And so now that’s being challenged. When is the next time that I’m going to feel comfortable with him getting on a plane?

Think about socialization. I have a lot of friends who have kids, the kids who are four and five, who are just becoming socialized in school, are having the biggest challenge right now, finding comfort within this whole, solitary confinement at home with their parents.

How does this adversely affect them?

The positive is that I think people are going to really value human connection and respect one another, a bit more. That’s what I’m hoping will come out of this is that we have more respect for the person sitting to the left and the right of us. More respect for cultures and people’s differences. In major cities like New York, I don’t think that’s the biggest challenge because I think that we love one another openly here more than other places. But as we go into an election year and seeing the cultural, the economic, the racial divide in this country, I’m hoping that after we get through this, that divide isn’t as wide, because what’s going to happen is we’re going to have to start exploring those places — the places where people who feel divided from us, are too — because of the lack of global travel.

So I want my family to be respected and received well, if I’m going into a red state, a blue state, a Southern state, a state in the Northwest, wherever. I want to be able to feel that I can traverse this country with the same safety and freedoms that anybody else can.