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‘Star Wars’ Actor Ahmed Best Makes A Strong Argument That There Would Be No Gollum Or Na’Vi Without Jar Jar Binks

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Over the years, many have questioned the meaning behind Jar Jar Binks, the divisive character from Star Wars, but real fans have always known that he was more than just a clumsy alien. He was the beginning of the future of movies.

Even though to most, Jar Jar represents an annoying comic relief side character, to Ahmed Best, the character paved the way for modern entertainment. Hear him out, this makes sense!!

Best told The New York Times that “Jar Jar represents the possibility that whatever you got in your head, creatively, we can invent a future where this thing exists,” he said. “Just because no one has done it before, doesn’t mean it can’t be done.” Jar Jar debuted in 1999, before using motion capture was very popular.

The actor, who faced years of bullying and harassment after his role in the films, says he is proud that he made an impact on modern cinema, even if the character was not a fan-favorite. “I’m in there,” Best said, adding that he paved the way for digital characters to interact with actual humans. “You can’t have Gollum without Jar Jar. You can’t have the Na’vi in Avatar without Jar Jar. You can’t have Thanos or the Hulk without Jar Jar. I was the signal for the rest of this art form, and I’m proud of Jar Jar for that, and I’m proud to be a part of that. I’m in there!”

This just proves that in 50 years, Jar Jar Binks will be in the history textbooks as the CGI pioneer. Nobody will even remember Kylo Ren.

(Via The New York Times)

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How Long Is Foo Fighters’ ‘Everything Or Nothing At All Tour’ Concert?

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The US leg of Foo Fighters’ upcoming Everything Or Nothing At All Tour doesn’t start until July, but for the next week or so, they’ll be on a mini-tour of sorts, playing festivals like Shaky Knees and Welcome To Rockville. That means fans have gotten an early look at what setlist they’ll be playing and about how long their upcoming shows will be.

Per data from setlist.fm, the band is expected to play a 24-song set peppered with songs from across their catalog (as well as a few covers). At Dos Equis Pavilion in Dallas, Texas, that took about two hours and 45 minutes. To see what songs they’ll be playing and when they’ll be coming to a venue near you.

Setlist:

1. “Bridge Burning”
2. “No Son Of Mine”
3. “Rescued”
4. “The Pretender”
5. “Times Like These”
6. “La Dee Da”
7. “Breakout”
8. “Medicine At Midnight”
9. “Walk”
10. guitar solo / “Sabotage” / keyboard solo / “Blitzkrieg Bop” / “The Outsider” / “Whip It” / “March Of The Pigs”
11. “My Hero”
12. “The Sky Is A Neighborhood”
13. “Learn To Fly”
14. “Arlandria”
15. “These Days”
16. “Shame Shame”
17. “All My Life”
18. “Nothing At All” (with “Blackbird” and “I’ll Stick Around” Snippets)
19. “The Glass”
20. “Monkey Wrench”
21. “Aurora
22. “Best Of You”
23. “The Teacher” (encore)
24. “Everlong ” (encore)

Tour Dates:

06/13/2024 — Manchester, England @ Emirates Old Trafford
06/15/2024 — Manchester, England @ Emirates Old Trafford
06/17/2024 — Glasgow, Scotland @ Hampden Park
06/20/2024 — London, England @ London Stadium
06/22/2024 — London, England @ London Stadium
06/25/2024 — Cardiff, Wales @ Principality Stadium
06/27/2024 — Birmingham, England @ Villa Park
07/17/2024 — Queens, NY @ Citi Field
07/19/2024 — Queens, NY @ Citi Field
07/21/2024 — Boston, MA @ Fenway Park
07/23/2024 — Hershey, PA @ Hersheypark Stadium
07/25/2024 — Cincinnati, OH @ Great American Ballpark
07/28/2024 — Minneapolis, MN @ Target Field
08/03/2024 — Denver, CO @ Empower Field at Mile High
08/07/2024 — San Diego, CA @ Petco Park
08/09/2024 — Los Angeles, CA @ BMO Stadium
08/11/2024 — Los Angeles, CA @ BMO Stadium
08/16/2024 — Portland, OR @ Providence Park Soccer Stadium
08/18/2024 — Seattle, WA @ T-Mobile Park

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An ‘SNL’ Cast Member (Jokingly) Apologized To Taylor Swift For Being In Bed With Travis Kelce During A Sketch

Unlike the Beavis and Butt-Head sketch, Heidi Gardner’s Kansas City Chiefs fandom is no laughing matter. The SNL cast member has been rooting for the team since she was a kid, long before Taylor Swift visited Arrowhead Stadium for the first time. So it was a thrill for her when tight end Travis Kelce hosted the show in 2023.

“I was very protective [of Kelce],” Gardner said on Friday’s episode of Today. I asked him questions, which also as a sports fan I’m just interested in, but I was like, ‘On game day what do you eat?’ And he was like, ‘Uncrustables. I’m just pounding Uncrustables.’ And so the Saturday of the show, I went to the store, I got Uncrustables. I was like, I want this to feel as much like home as it can.” Kelce’s favorite foods: “American Empanadas” and “chipolte.”

Gardner also apologized, jokingly so, to Swift for being in bed with Kelce during a sketch. “It was cool because right before dress rehearsal, we were in a scene where — sorry, Taylor — we were in bed together,” she said, “and he leaned over into me right before lights up on the scene and…”

What do you think Kelce told Gardner? If you guessed, “I’ve been eating Uncrustables all day,” you are correct. The man has a type (round sandwiches and world famous pop stars).

You can watch the interview above.

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‘Hotel Cocaine’ Season 1: Everything To Know About The Crime Thriller Series Revolving Around The ‘Casablanca On Cocaine’

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Netflix’s Narcos (and Narcos: Mexico) inspired streaming services to answer with comparable shows including Amazon’s ZeroZeroZero, and now Amazon MGM Studios Distribution will be instrumental in rolling out an upcoming MGM+ project, Hotel Cocaine.

The series stars Danny Pino (Mayans M.C., Law & Order: SVU), who knows a little something about portraying a non-caricature version of a figure who is neck-deep in illegal dealings. Let’s discuss what we can expect behind the glitz and glamour in this look at the 1970s/1980s Miami’s cocaine scene.

Plot

Hotel Cocaine is an 8-episode crime thriller story that revolves around the notorious Mutiny Hotel in Miami, Florida. Pino will step into view as Roman Compte, the hotel’s general manager and a Cuban exile, and accompanying him will be Yul Vasquez (Severance, The Outsider) as Roman’s brother, Nestor Cabal, who supplied an unknown number of cocaine buttloads to the partiers of Miami. Will we see some sort of Griselda Blanco appearance? There’s been no word yet on that front, but expect plenty of intervening parties to make their presences known including a shady customs agent or few.

The Mutiny Hotel was the real-life destination for a revolving door of rock ‘n’ roll musicians, sports stars, and (yes) narcos of many ranks. Part of the Al Pacino version of Scarface depicted the hotel, although the grounds were replicated elsewhere in the making of that film.

In short, this place has a reputation, and MGM+ has provided a synopsis about the “Casablanca on cocaine,” too:

Hotel Cocaine is the story of Roman Compte (Danny Pino), Cuban exile and general manager of the Mutiny Hotel, the glamorous epicenter of the Miami cocaine scene of the late ‘70s and early ‘80s. The Mutiny Hotel was Casablanca on cocaine; a glitzy nightclub, restaurant, and hotel frequented by Florida businessmen and politicians, international narcos, CIA and FBI agents, models, sports stars, and musicians. At the center of it all was Compte, who was doing his best to keep it all going and fulfill his own American Dream.

Cast

The cast includes Don Mike (as Mutiny Club maitre’d Omar), Pedro Giunti (as a Nestor henchman), and Lola Claire and Candy Santana as prominent Mutiny Girls. Other roles shall be filled by Matthew Del Negro, Victor Oliveira, Robert Beck, and Sam Robards.

Release Date

Hotel Cocaine debuts on June 16 over at MGM+ and runs through August 9.

Trailer

Let the good times and 1970s bad fashion roll.

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Mom creates ‘how to be a person’ camp for her kids that teaches real life skills all summer

There’s a wide variety of summer camps out there with activities ranging from classics like bonfires and water balloon fights to the uber niche, ala putting on musicals or prepping for space adventures.

Still, even with the plentiful themes in existence, people are calling one mom’s unique but oh-so-practical camp idea pure genius.

Kaitlyn Rowe, mom of four and content creator in Utah, gave her kiddos a list of super basic, but very important life skills to learn at home throughout summer, in what she calls “How To Be A Person” camp.


The difficulty level of each task would be age dependent. Rowe’s 3-year-old son learned things like making the bed, safely using scissors and glue, introducing himself to a new friend and organizing his toys. Whereas Rowe’s eldest daughter, age 6, would learn slightly more complex things like scrambling an egg on the stove, blow-drying her hair and packing an overnight bag. There was also a list of skills the siblings would learn together, like putting away groceries, pool safety and talking on the phone.

As Rowe shared in an interview with Good Morning America, she actually got the idea from fellow mom Emily Ley, who created this alternative camp during the peak days of COVID-19.

Overwhelmed with homeschooling, Ley thought if she could teach her kids “some age-appropriate independence,” it would take the load off of her as well. Rowe borrowed the idea and the “How To Be A Person” camp title as she compiled her own list of activities in lieu of sending her kids to an actual camp. So far, her kids have loved it. And with her post currently having over 54,000 views on Instagram, it seems other parents are in love with the idea as well.

It’s no secret that many of us reach adulthood having learned obscure academic subjects and somehow skimming over the things we would actually incorporate into everyday life. Nothing against algebra and trigonometry, but it sure would have been nice to have learned about doing taxes instead, you know what I’m saying?

Plus, it’s well documented that kids genuinely enjoy mimicking adults, so having them engage in grown-up duties is not only a rewarding activity in the moment, it potentially creates a positive relationship with household chores that they can hold onto throughout their life.

Another cool thing about the “How To Be A Person” camp idea is that it’s fully customizable. It can be a list that parents create, or it can be child-led. It can be 100% practical or silly. A healthy mix is probably the best of both worlds.

Per some suggestions in the comments, it seems that Rowe will be changing the name to “How To Do The Important Stuff” camp to be more inclusive towards those with special needs. Point being: this camp can be for every kid. And honestly, probably should be.

To see Rowe’s complete “How To Be A Person” camp list, go to Instagram.

This article originally appeared on 6.15.23

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Mom wonders if she made a mistake giving her baby an ‘adult’ name

The names parents give their children make a profound impact on their lives—for better, or for worse. And the different strategies for picking the right name—including spending upwards of thousands of dollars for professional help—is a hot topic of discussion for well intentioned moms and dads.

It wasn’t too long ago that one mom went viral for encouraging parents to give their kids “adult names” that they wouldn’t outgrow. However, another mom who tried that tactic is having some second thoughts.


In a video posted to her TikTok, Heather, known as @_heatherel_ opened up about her mixed feelings since naming her son Reed four months ago.

“Since the beginning, I’m not convinced I like his name … even though I like his name,” she says, laughing at herself.

Heather goes on to say that she intended to give her son an “adult name,” but is still “having a hard time connecting it to him because he’s a little squishy baby,” leaving her unsure as to whether or not she actually likes the name at all.

The experience left Heather wondering if any other moms who gave their kids, particularly their sons, more “traditional adult” names felt the same sort of ambivalence.

@_heatherel_ Just me?? #boymom #momtok #babynames #babyboynames #adultnames #regerts #momlife #workingmon #needadvice #babytok #babyboy ♬ original sound – Heather

While she did get a few who commiserated with her situation, Heather mostly received a whole lotta advice and encouragement.

“I have a Thomas, Henry, Levi and Woody. They all took some time for me to connect their name with them! But they all fit now!” one mom commented.

Undoubtedly the main tip was to incorporate a squishy baby-friendly nickname.

“My grandson is a Reed. I LOVE his name. When he was a baby I would call him Reeder, Reedster, Reedman…Just playing with him,” one person wrote.

“I named my son Reid and I love his name! He’s a young adult now, but when he was a squishy baby we just nicknamed him,” another added. “Sometimes we called him Reido, sometimes we called him Reidie.”

Another mom chimed in to reiterate that changing a name is perfectly okay.

“My son was supposed to be Daniel. It just did not fit him at all. We changed his name to Joseph. Fits him much better,” she commented.

Since Heather told People in an exclusive interview that the name Reed has “sentimental value,” there won’t be any plans of changing it. But now, with a little support, hopefully she can feel more confident in her decision.

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Woman shares the unique way a man hit on her that made her feel both desired and safe

Relationships are as old as time itself. And nearly all of them have awkward beginnings. For men, there is often the expectation of taking action. You can’t go too far without crossing ethical boundaries but if you’re not assertive enough, good luck waiting to be swept off your feet. And for women, well, let’s not even get started. As simple as love and attraction may appear on the surface, in practice they are anything but.

If it’s a man approaching a woman, oftentimes the woman is unsure how the interaction will end should she not be interested. There are all sorts of reasons for apprehension on the woman’s part that some men looking to court may not fully understand. But one woman has taken to social media to share her excitement over a “new way of hitting on women,” which may help ease concerns. The woman goes by the name Tee Rex on Instagram and eagerly tells viewers from her car about an experience she just had.


“I just got hit on and I hate getting hit on but the way that this person hit on me was immaculate and I want to share because I feel like men are doing a tough, there’s a lot of hate going towards men who are literally just trying to find love,” the woman says.

She explains that he did “the normal thing” when men hit on women but immediately after asking for her phone number, the man says, “I am safe to reject.”

“Just taking the extra steps to make a woman feel safe and respected goes a long way (sadly) so I’m glad you had this experience vs the far too common unsafe experience,” one commenter said in response.

“Wow impressive and I would be even more impressed because he’s also demonstrating he has self worth enough not to lose it if he is rejected. Good quality,” another woman praises.

“I thought this was going to be another bullsh*t tip… but I’m definitely adding this to my arsenal,” one man writes.

Some men took the time to explain the concept to other men who are skeptical.

“Fellas if you haven’t heard numbers of stories about how dudes be aggressive and retaliatory when getting rejected, you’re living under a rock. A woman was recently murdered for this (not the first). The problem is we take this personally and it might seem ludicrous because some of us ourselves know that we’re not like that. That still doesn’t dismiss the fact that it happens A LOT to the point women have to plot ways of avoiding it. But this is social media, we gotta be contrary lol,” one man explains.

“Crazy the number of dudes who see this as self-deprecating vs a reflection of both his social awareness and self-confidence. And for those who see this as defeatist – is it really a win if she’s only not saying no because she’s AFRAID,” another man asks.

While saying the exact phrase, “I am safe to reject” may not be everyone’s ideal line, if a man knows he wouldn’t pose a risk to women after being rejected, it wouldn’t hurt to put that out front.

Several men in the comments shared that they say things like, “It’s cool if you say no” or “No pressure to say yes.” These small phrases give women who may be feeling afraid from past experiences a sense of relief and the room to give an honest answer.

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Two brothers Irish stepdancing to Beyoncé’s country hit ‘Texas Hold ‘Em’ is pure delight

In early February 2024, Beyoncé rocked the music world by releasing a surprise new album of country tunes. The album, Renaissance: Act II, includes a song called “Texas Hold ‘Em,” which shot up the country charts—with a few bumps along the way—and landed Queen Bey at the No.1 spot.

As the first Black female artist to have a song hit No. 1 on Billboard’s country music charts, Beyoncé once again proved her popularity, versatility and ability to break barriers without missing a beat. In one fell swoop, she got people who had zero interest in country music to give it a second look, forced country music fans to broaden their own ideas about what country music looks like and prompted conversations about bending and blending musical genres and styles.

And she inspired the Gardiner Brothers to add yet another element to the mix—Irish stepdance.


In a TikTok that’s been viewed over 17 million times, the Gardiner Brothers don cowboy hats while they step in time to “Texas Hold ‘Em,” much to the delight of viewers everywhere.

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Beyoncé 🤝 Irish dancing #beyonce #countrymusic

Michael and Matthew Gardiner are professional Irish-American stepdancers and choreographers who have gained international fame with their award-winning performances. They’ve also built a following of millions on social media with videos like this one, where they dance to popular songs, usually in an outdoor environment.

The melding of Irish dance with country music sung by a Black American female artist may seem unlikely, but it could be viewed merely as country music coming back to its roots. After all, country music has its roots in the ballad tradition of the Irish, English and Scottish settlers in the Appalachian region of the U.S. And despite modern country music’s struggle to break free from “music for white people” stereotypes, it has roots in African-American traditions as well. For instance, the banjo, which has long been used in bluegrass and country music, was created by enslaved Africans and their descendents during the colonial era, according to The Smithsonian.

People are loving the blending of genres and culture that the TikTok exemplifies.

“Never thought I’d see Irish step dancing while Beyoncé sings country,” wrote on commenter. “My life is complete. ♥️”

“So happy Beyoncé dropped this song and exposed my timeline to diversified talent 👏🏽👏🏽,” wrote another.

“Beyoncé brought the world together with this song 😭,” offered another person.

“Ayeeee Irish Dancing has entered the BeyHive chatroom… WELCOME!! 🔥🔥🔥” exclaimed another.

“I don’t think I can explain how many of my interests are intersecting here,” wrote one commenter, reflecting what several others shared as well.

The Beyoncé/Gardiner Brothers combo and the reactions to it are a good reminder that none of us fit into one box of interest or identity. We’re all an eclectic mix of tastes and styles, so we can almost always find a way to connect with others over something we enjoy. What better way to be reminded of that fact than through an unexpected mashup that blends the magic of music with the delight of dance? Truly, the arts are a powerful uniting force we should utilize more often.

And for an extra bit of fun, the Gardiner Brothers also shared their bloopers from filming the video. Turns out stepping in the rain isn’t as easy as they make it look.

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This article originally appeared on 2.26.24

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Ryan Gosling Revealed The Moment In ‘La La Land’ That ‘Haunts’ Him To This Day

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If given the opportunity to remake their own movie, most actors would pick one of their bad films, not a beloved Oscar winner. But Ryan Gosling has proven time and time again that he is not like most actors, he’s a Nice Guy. And a Fall Guy.

But the actor gave a surprising answer when The Wall Street Journal asked which of his films he would like to “do over.” You would think he would pick something from his early days before he was an established actor, but he landed on one of his biggest projects.

La La Land. There is a moment that haunts me,” Gosling told the outlet. “We’re dancing, Emma [Stone] and I, and I didn’t know this would become the poster for the movie. We were supposed to have our hands up, and I thought it would be cool to put my hand [more flat] even though everyone told me it wasn’t cool. I was sure it was cooler.”

Gosling said that the choice haunts him to this day; it’s been immortalized on the poster. “Now when I look at it, and I have to see it all the time, you know what would’ve been cooler… [the intended pose],” he admitted. “It just killed the energy that way. I call it La La Hand.”

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The interviewer noted that in the dance world, the pose is called “hamburger hands” to which Gosling replied, “Hamburger hands Gosling over here.” Maybe next he’ll work on Hamburger Helper’s newest ad campaign.

Check out the full interview here.

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Justice Smith Talks ‘I Saw The TV Glow’ And The Disposability And Comfort Of Art

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What if a distraction starts to become a destination? What is real and unreal? Is our destiny to be who we are or someone else? Someone more? I Saw The TV Glow, a new A24-produced suburban horror film (with an outstanding soundtrack) from writer/director Jane Schoenbrun explores those questions, teenage loneliness, the draw of screens, and the unifying power of art and thrill of finding someone to share it with.

The film, which is now in limited theaters now before going wide on May 17, is also a deeply personal story from an openly trans filmmaker who tapped into a very specific time in their life to to tell this story, with Schoenbrun telling Deadline that they wrote the film early on in their transition.

“The beginning of transition, I think for a lot of trans folks, is a really bewildering time where everything you’ve come to accept as reality is sort of being thrown into flux, and it’s both this incredibly beautiful and courageous leap of faith, and at times can feel completely uncharted, like you have no roadmap for what your life is and where you’re going.”

As one of the stars of the film, Justice Smith plays Owen, a teenager in the ‘90s who finds comfort in a monster-of-the-week style supernatural TV show (ala Buffy) called The Pink Opaque. Owen shares that interest with a friend in Maddy (Brigette Lundy-Paine), but when she disappears, questions surface about whether the world of the show is actually real. To say much more would spoil a film that our Josh Kurp called, “one of the most original, thought provoking, and The Adventures of Pete & Pete-referencing films you’ll see all year” (the ’90s reverence is far beyond surface here). I will say, however, that the film does span a large swath of Owen’s life and it does focus on the choices we make and the question of whether it’s worse to give in to our imagination or give up on it.

Below, we spoke with Smith in a loose interview that we both agreed felt more like a vibe-y conversation about philosophy than a typical junket chat. ‘90s nostalgia is touched upon as is SpongeBob, but also the nature of making art in an age of disposability and the value of finding things to geek out over at a time when everything is chaos.

It feels like it’s the ’90s moment, where people are very reflective of it, very nostalgic for it. So what does that mean for you as someone who was experiencing it at the tail end?

Yeah, I remember there was this big wave of kids my age being like, “I’m a ’90s kid.” I’m like, we were five in the year 2000.

That’s how I feel about the ’80s, I remember parts, but it’s not really the same experience (as living through all of it).

I will say, the first five years of the aughts had so much bleedover from the ’90s that it wasn’t fully immersive ’90s like culture, but it was the transition period, which I think is why people my age identify with it so much. Or maybe it’s just that the ’90s has a cool factor. When I think of the ’80s, I don’t think cool. I think loud. I think expressive. The ’70s, I think of chill. I think of groovy, I think of weed. But the ’90s, I feel like it’s like the aesthetic was admirable. ’90s fashion is coming back. I mean, I’m wearing a COOGI sweater right now. ’90s fashion has a grip on us right now, and ’90s movies were incredible. ’90s hip-hop was the best era of hip-hop. So I think the ’90s just did a lot of things right.

It also feels like the last era that you can get your hands around. Things were a little bit more, not in control, but it was before the explosion of content, before the internet really took full bloom and we kind of had an expanded view of the universe. Maybe there’s a kind of nostalgia for that, when things were simpler, like we all have with childhood.

Yeah, I think that’s definitely it. Yeah. The internet has made these decades less defined. Everything is more gradual and less succinct, and I think there are pros and cons, obviously to having access to so much information all the time. But I think one of the cons is that culture is almost shifting too quickly. Every week there’s something trending, and it’s hard to define a period of 10 years with a certain aesthetic. Although the year 2000 to 2010 has a specific aesthetic, and the 2010s, I watch a lot of influencers who reflect on what the 2010s actually felt like and looked like. I never defined it for myself, but it was really specific. I mean, a lot of that culture was online culture. It was like when the internet was defining itself as a culture, you know what I mean?

Yeah, because it feels so co-opted now, the space is so polluted now by every corporation having its own personality and everything like that.

Yeah, capitalism is crazy right now. Everything is kind of bleak and recycled.

Obviously, you don’t have the experience of what it was like to drop a movie in 1995, but knowing how things work, and knowing how quickly culture moves now, to your point, is there a longing for something that you’ve never known? Do these things feel disposable to you in a way that feels unfair? I know, like me personally, when I do an interview, 15, 20 years ago, if I did an interview with you, it would be in a magazine, and it would be on a stand for a month, and people would read it for a while. And now it’s on a website, and then there’s another post, and another post, and another post on Twitter, and it’s gone.

Yeah. People click on it and then they forget about it.

Yeah, and to be honest, it bothers me. But that’s an interview. When you’re putting months and months of time into a movie that’s going to go up, and in a week there’ll be another movie, and another movie. Does that disposability of culture bother you?

Yeah, it was a hard thing to adjust to. I really thought in my young 20s, I still believed this idea that if you work hard, you reap the benefits, and that’s just not really true. It’s like, we live in a day and age where it’s like you work hard, you finish something, and then it’s onto the next thing. It’s not about finished product. It’s about resume. It’s about how many products are on the shelf. It’s about quantity, more than it is quality. And again, it’s the internet. There’s so much fucking content.

It’s just an engine that constantly needs to be fueled.

Yeah. Everything can’t really have a spotlight, because if everything has a spotlight, then nothing does.

It’s an engine that needs to constantly be fueled but sometimes you wonder if it’s a hunger that exists in the market, or is it just a hunger that exists in the C-suite.

Yeah, I think it’s in the C-suite. No, I think it’s a hunger of the C-suite. I think it’s driven by money, as is everything. And I think that it’s also that our attention spans have been shortened and shortened gradually over time with social media, and I think that ultimately makes the market hungry for more and more content. So I think it’s all feeding each other. They’re all cogs in this larger machine.

With this and the focus that this character has on the importance of this show to him, I am curious about whether you had a show that you really attached to when you were younger, and also curious if you feel in general that maybe we’re sometimes too hard on ourselves for the shows that we loved when we were younger?

I liked a lot of darker fare, like Goosebumps, Are You Afraid of the Dark, and Don’t Look Under the Bed. And even lighter, darker fare like Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy, or Nightmare Before Christmas. It’s like children’s goth, children’s horror – I was always drawn to that kind of stuff. At the same time, I had this unhealthy obsession with SpongeBob Squarepants, where my whole room was decorated with SpongeBob paraphernalia. And I mean now you’re seeing so many millennials reflect on how SpongeBob is the basis of their humor.

It really defined humor for a generation. And I mean, it still holds up. I watch those fucking first three seasons, the ones I grew up with, to this day from time to time, and I’m like, this shit is still funny to me. And that’s not always the case when you watch your old childhood favorites. A lot of times, just like in the movie, a lot of times you revisit and it’s not what you remember. It doesn’t evoke the same feelings, but SpongeBob holds up. And as a kid, it’s like liking SpongeBob was gay, liking SpongeBob wasn’t cool. And then it is so amazing to see how many people my age on TikTok, and Instagram, and stuff, all their reference points are SpongeBob quotes. I love that. It’s like we were all watching it. It’s unifying.

Does this movie provoke any kind of existential question within yourself about… I don’t want to give too much away, but the question of whether it’s worse to lose yourself to your imagination or lose your imagination is explored in the film.

I realize I didn’t answer the second part of your last question, but I feel like that kind of has to do with this, where I don’t actually think there’s anything wrong with obsessing over media, obsessing over a show, or a movie, or a book that just calls you, that you really connect to. Because I think that a lot of times as people, when we’re shaping our identities, specifically in our youth, we need reference points. And there’s a reason why we’re attracted to things that we’re attracted to. And we don’t always live in safe environments to explore all that our identities can be. And media can be a lightning rod of experimentation. It can expedite the process of identity.

And connection.

Sure, yeah, connection as well. But I think that the power of art is seeing yourself represented. It doesn’t even have to be literally, it can be in a cartoon sponge or whatever. It could be in a vampire slayer, like Buffy or something, or whatever it is. But you find elements of that character, of that world that just ring out parts of you, authentic parts of you. And I think that’s really important to self-formation.

If I turn this camera around, it’s just a whole wall of stuff that I’m sparing you from having to see – Batman statues, Indiana Jones, Thundercats. So obviously, I’m very much in line with the things that I grew up with, things that I love, but I’m also conscious that there is a danger sometimes in falling too far down that rabbit hole, and closing yourself off to other art, and new things, and new experiences, and new characters, and new worlds. Is that ever a concern: finding too much comfort, too much comfort food in the media that we love? Is that ever a concern, in your opinion?

I think that’s a really good question. I think that anything in excess can be dangerous, but I don’t know why I’m leaning towards the solace of fantasy. The solace of escapism.

I think sometimes it’s that it’s a chaotic world and whatever gets you through the night, to quote an old song.

Exactly. Whatever helps you. I don’t think the world is that safe of a place. And so, it is all of our individual journeys to parent ourselves and to find our safe spaces, and find the things that regulate us. That is our responsibility as individuals. And so, if that for you is Batman, or if that for you is a film, or a TV show, or a movie, then so be it. If that calms you, if that helps you get through the day, helps you get through life, I think that is the beauty of art. That is why people have been making art since the beginning of time. I think the imagination is a beautiful thing. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with living in it.

‘I Saw The TV Glow’ is in limited theaters right now and goes wide release on May 17.