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Steven Hyden’s Favorite Music Of March 2024

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Every month, Uproxx cultural critic Steven Hyden makes an unranked list of his favorite music-related items released during this period — songs, albums, books, films, you name it.

1. Waxahatchee, Tigers Blood

When I caught up with Katie Crutchfield via Zoom earlier this month, she seemed excited to talk about the albums she has made thus far as Waxahatchee. Perhaps she was already feeling triumphant over the reviews of Tigers Blood, the sixth Waxahatchee LP that wowed critics in March. A sonic and thematic sequel to her acclaimed 2020 release Saint Cloud, the new record continues Crutchfield’s transition from the noisy and confessional indie rock of early Waxahatchee to the wised-up country rock of her mature “thirtysomething” period. This pivot is obvious and, it turns out, self-conscious. Tigers Blood is another product of Crutchfield’s union with Saint Cloud producer Brad Cook, who helped the singer-songwriter assemble a supporting cast that includes MJ Lenderman (prominently featured on the instant-classic single “Right Back To It”), Spencer Tweedy, and Phil Cook. “Honestly, the way I look at my whole catalog is pre-Brad and post-Brad,” she told me. “The Brad era sits together and works together. And then the pre-Brad era, it was really one album at a time, and they weren’t really in any communication with each other.”

2. Rosali, Bite Down

One of my favorite singer-songwriters working today is Rosali Middleman, a 41-year-old Michigan native who records and performs as Rosali. I became a fan in 2021 upon the release of her tremendous third album, No Medium, a cathartic collection of stormy folk-rock tunes spotlighting Middleman’s remarkably tender yet tough vocals and the loose-limbed instrumental backing of the Omaha-based David Nance Group. It’s all raw vibes and electrified feels, like Sandy Denny jamming with Crazy Horse on a late night in the mid-1970s. Just as No Medium was one of my favorite records of 2021, her latest Bite Down is one of the best things I’ve heard in the first quarter of 2024. It’s her first release for Merge Records, who signed Rosali after the critical success of No Medium. She says the pandemic lockdown, and her move away from the city to more secluded and peaceful environs in North Carolina, inform the album. Whereas No Medium contains bracing songs about addiction, romantic loss, and mortality, Bite Down approaches those themes with a flinty, indomitable fighting spirit.

3. Good Looks, “If It’s Gone”

Good Looks is a band from Austin, Texas that has been described as “socialist heartland rock.” I can’t speak to the socialist part, but in the video for their debut single from 2022, “Almost Automatic,” they are shown playing in the middle of a cow pasture, which is certainly heartland rock-y. And the music, naturally, is girded by a mix of earthy strums and air-y solos that evoke wide open spaces. This month Good Looks released the first song from their upcoming sophomore effort, Lived Here For A While, and I can’t stop listening to it.

4. Wild Pink, Strawberry Eraser

For the past several years, Wild Pink’s John Ross has perfected a musical formula that can be described — reductively but more or less accurately — as the meeting point between The War On Drugs and Death Cab For Cutie. Each Wild Pink record has been progressively more experimental and expansive, as Ross elaborates his observational lyrics with grand sonic flourishes. The new EP Strawberry Eraser however suggests that Ross might be in the process of paring back. Recorded by Ross alone, the prominence of drum machines is felt immediately on this short but impactful record, creating an undercurrent of mechanical dread that contrasts with the bashful warmth of Ross’ voice.

5. Mannequin Pussy, I Got Heaven

When I interviewed Mannequin Pussy frontwoman Marisa Dabice in 2019, she was open about her ambitions after starting out in the underground punk space. “I really wanted to make a big-sounding rock record,” she said. “I love where we’ve come from and our other records, but I really believe in artistic progression and being able to challenge yourself.” At the time she was promoting MP’s third album Patience, which proved to be a prescient title. It took a lot of patience indeed for the band to put out LP4, I Got Heaven, at the start of the month. But the new album shows that Dabice’s commitment to artistic progression continues unabated. While Mannequin Pussy can still rage and stomp with the best of them, the music on I Got Heaven shows off a new level of musical sophistication that evokes the big-ticket albums of the grunge era.

6. Restorations, Restorations

Philadelphia punks Restorations have long specialized in setting the humdrum realities of everyday life to doggedly anthemic music, like Bruce Springsteen fronting Fugazi. There are plenty of bands who attempt to strike a similar balance, but few do it with the veteran skill of Restorations. Which is why new music is always welcome from them. Their new self-titled effort is their first in six years, but to their credit they pick up right where they left off, delivering the sort of consistently uplifting rockers that were made for post-work beers.

7. Hannah Frances, Keeper Of The Shepherd

This beguiling singer-songwriter welcomes Joni Mitchell comparisons due to her use of alternate tunings as well as the Hejira vibes that permeate her latest album, Keeper Of The Shepherd. But fans of aughts-era freak folk will also find much to love here, as Frances specializes in melodic and transportive musical eccentricity.

8. Adrianne Lenker, Bright Future

In 20 years we’re all going to look back at Adrianne Lenker’s songwriting run in the late 2010s and early 2020s as one of the great creative outbursts of this era. Lenker writes so many songs — and so many great songs — that she’s had to work outside of her otherwise prolific band Big Thief to accommodate them all. I can’t help but admire this, even when I have mixed feelings about the results. I put Bright Future on this list because I think it’s an undeniably impressive achievement by an artist who is increasingly willing to work without a net (or much refinement, for better or worse). There are some fantastic tunes here (“No Machine,” “Already Lost”) as well as plenty of fascinating experiments. What gives me pause is the wish that she had fleshed them out a bit more with her bandmates in Big Thief, who have proven that they can make magic with Lenker’s material. Perhaps that’s unfair. But Bright Future (for now) sounds to me like a batch of promising demos for a classic Big Thief record that will never exist.

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Don’t Fall For The Fake ‘Breaking Bad’ Movie, ‘Heisenberg,’ That’s Taking Over Facebook

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Let’s get this out of the way immediately: Breaking Bad is not coming back. It’s possible that Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul will reprise their characters in another Super Bowl commercial, or whatever, but there will not be another “canonical” TV show or movie with Walter White and Jesse Pinkman. But you wouldn’t know it by looking at the digital wasteland that is Facebook.

Earlier this week, the page “YODA BBY ABY” shared a poster for Heisenberg, which is described as a “a pulse-pounding sequel that unfolds after the legendary finale of Breaking Bad.” The post continues, “When an ambulance delivers Walter White to a fate seemingly sealed by cuffs and concrete, his most daring escape begins, unveiling two hours of unmatched brilliance and ingenuity. Coming to theaters in August 2024 from AMC Films, witness Walter White’s final level, now more powerful and merciless than ever in a masterful game of survival and danger.”

The post has over 71,000 shares and nearly 60,000 comments, but Heisenberg is an obviously fake movie. For one thing, “YODA BBY ABY” describes itself as “100% satire and fake news.” The account has dozens of other parody posters, including a Splash remake with Timothée Chalamet and Zendaya and a Golden Girls reboot starring Tina Fey as Dorothy, Amy Poehler as Sophia, Lisa Kudrow as Rose, and Maya Rudolph as Blanche. If you have your hopes up for Ace Ventura: The Legend of the Albino Pigeon, I’m sorry but that’s on you.

Don’t fall for Heisenberg. It’s the kind of stunt Slippin’ Jimmy would attempt.

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When Will Beyoncé’s ‘Cowboy Carter’ Album Be On Spotify?

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Beyoncé is dropping her country-inspired album Cowboy Carter in just a few hours, as fans are extremely excited to hear what she has in store for the 27 new tracks. Yesterday, she revealed the tracklist, and collaborations with Miley Cyrus, Post Malone, and more are included, according to Consequence.

“I have a few surprises on the album and have collaborated with some brilliant artists who I deeply respect,” she previously shared on Instagram when revealing the cover art. “I hope that you can hear my heart and soul, and all the love and passion that I poured into every detail and every sound.”

Here’s when Spotify users can expect to hear it on the platform.

When Will Beyonce’s Cowboy Carter Album Be On Spotify?

Although Beyoncé has previously released her music on the streaming service Tidal, fans can expect to hear Cowboy Carter like normal on Spotify. It will be available at midnight ET or 9 p.m. PT. For those in any other time zone, it will be available whenever new music typically drops in your location.

As a little bit more of what to expect, she will be covering Dolly Parton’s “Jolene” and paying tribute to other country legends.

Cowboy Carter is out 3/29 via Parkwood/Columbia. Find more information here.

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Proof That Zach Bryan Is A Big Deal: He Just Got Bruce Springsteen To Fly Across The Country To Perform With Him

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Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band resumed tour earlier this month after having to postpone 2023 dates due to Springsteen’s peptic ulcer disease. The 2024 world tour began on the West Coast — having performed in San Diego, California on Monday, March 25, and preparing to perform in San Francisco, California this weekend — and Springsteen must be feeling better because he also flew across the country to appear at Zach Bryan’s The Quittin Time Tour show at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

According to setlist.fm, Springsteen popped onto the stage during Bryan’s encore. First, Bryan performed “Sandpaper” as a duet with Springsteen, and then Maggie Rogers joined the party for “Revival,” which included a Springsteen guitar solo that seemingly left Bryan and Rogers awestruck. (Earlier in the concert, Rogers performed “Dawns” with Bryan.)

Bryan was a little nervous and jokingly apologized to the crowd because he “messed [Springsteen] up.” During Springsteen’s “Revival” solo, Rogers could not have had more fun playing the tambourine.

Bryan will retake Barclays Center on Thursday night, March 28, but fans will presumably be bummed that they didn’t have tickets to the March 27 show.

Below are posts from Bryan’s Springsteen- and Rogers-assisted encore. See the remainder of Bryan’s tour dates here and Springsteen and The E Street Band’s tour dates here.

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Steph Curry Explained Why He Was So Frustrated With Draymond Green’s Early Ejection

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The Golden State Warriors are trying to keep hold of the 10-seed in the West and give themselves a chance at playing their way into the playoffs through the Play-In Tournament, but are getting quite the challenge from the red-hot Rockets, who won their 10th straight game on Wednesday night.

Houston’s hot streak means the Warriors have to be on their game in this final stretch of the season, as they cannot afford to drop winnable games without risking falling out of the Play-In. On Wednesday night in Orlando, they picked up a gritty 101-93 win, but had to do so without Draymond Green for more than 44 minutes of the game after he got ejected for two technicals as he would simply not stop yelling at the officials after a foul call early in the first quarter.

Stephen Curry tried his best to usher Green away from the officials, but Green kept barking and eventually earned his second T and a trip to the showers. Afterwards, Curry was visibly emotional on the court, on the verge of tears due to his frustration with Green’s ejection. Curry would go on to lead the Warriors to the win and was very fired up about it when he hit the dagger three late in the fourth, doing his “night night” celebration all the way down the sideline.

After the game, though, his frustration with Green getting himself tossed was still evident, as he talked with reporters about how they can’t have “self-inflicted wounds” and that Green’s too important to not be doing everything he can to stay on the floor.

Green has missed a substantial chunk of the season due to suspensions for his on-court antics this year, starting with choking out Rudy Gobert and then later hitting Jusuf Nurkic in the face. His second suspension included some mandated therapy to try and figure out how to control his emotions better on the court and have better impulse control. Wednesday was the first time he got ejected since his suspension, and it was clear that Curry’s had about enough when it comes to Green’s antics, particularly with the Warriors in such a precarious situation.

Steph isn’t willing to accept lost years at this point of his career, so making the Play-In is the least the Warriors can do to provide a chance at the playoffs. Green getting tossed 4 minutes into a back-to-back against a good Orlando team isn’t the best way to do that, but Curry did make sure to shout out everyone that stepped up in Green’s absence and showed the fight and resiliency needed to gut out a win in a tough situation (that was created by Green’s own doing).

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Jon Stewart Roasted An Attempt To Compare His Penthouse Sale To Trump’s ‘Not Victimless’ New York Fraud Case

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Jon Stewart has fired back at an attempt to compare the 2014 sale of his New York City penthouse to Donald Trump’s civil fraud case. On Monday’s episode of The Daily Show, Stewart broke down Trump’s scheme, which involved inflating the value of his properties to secure loans and then deflating those same properties when it came to pay taxes on them.

“Money isn’t infinite. A loan that goes to the liar doesn’t go to someone who’s giving a more honest evaluation. So the system becomes incentivized for corruption,” Stewart said in response to claims that’s Trump’s actions were “victimless.”

“The attorney general of New York knew that Trump’s property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties,” Stewart continued. “It was all part of a very specific real estate practice known as lying.”

However, in a gotcha move boosted by the New York Post, right wing commentator Tim Pool tried to accuse Stewart of doing the same thing when The Daily Show host sold his penthouse for $17.5 million.

“Did @jonstewart commit fraud when he sold his penthouse for $17.5M?” Pool tweeted. “NY listed its market value at $1.8M an AV at around 800k. Who did he He defraud?? I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED.”

Obviously, these are very different situations. Stewart selling his penthouse to a buyer willing to pay a higher price for the property is standard real estate practice, particularly for celebrity owned properties. It’s entirely different than the scheme Trump was running. After the Post amplified Pool’s attack, Stewart fired back.

“OMG!! I’ve been caught doing something not remotely similar to Trump!” Stewart tweeted. “I guess all I need to do now is start a fraud college, steal classified docs, bankrupt casinos, pay hush money, grab pussies, discriminate in housing, cheat at golf and foment insurrection and you’ll revere me!”

(Via New York Post, Jon Stewart on Twitter)

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Lorde Puts A Sentimental Spin On A Personally Meaningful Talking Heads Classic As Part Of A Special Tribute Album

A few years since Lorde dropped her Solar Power album, she is now treating fans to some new music. As part of A24’s re-release of the Talking Heads concert film, Stop Making Sense, they also put together a tribute record full of talented performers.

Lorde tackled the band’s “Take Me To The River,” as she has a sentimental attachment to them, first seeing them perform through a YouTube video as a twelve-year-old in 2008.

“This version of the first Talking Heads song I ever heard was done in a few days in Echo Park, L.A. with my friend Jimmy,” Lorde shared in an email. “It’s my interpretation of that pixellated spiritual experience. We did it fast, I didn’t let myself tidy it up too much, it had to feel young and imperfect, the peeling posters, the jaw of acne. It’s beyond a great honour to be part of this compilation. In doing so, I am reaching back through time and pinning something to that kid’s wall.”

Her new cover follows the previous single releases, including Paramore doing “Burning Down The House” and Teezo Touchdown putting his spin on “Making Flippy Floppy.”

Check out Lorde’s cover of “Take Me To The River” above.

Some artists covered here are Warner Music artists. Uproxx is an independent subsidiary of Warner Music Group.

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Who Is Featured On Beyoncé’s ‘Cowboy Carter’ Album?

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The Beyoncé story continues with the release of her latest album, Cowboy Carter. She didn’t make the project by herself, though, so these are the artists she got to feature on the album.

Who Is Featured On Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter Album?

As Consequence notes, the full tracklist with features was revealed before the album’s North American release, when it started being available in international markets like Australia and New Zealand. Shaboozey, Miley Cyrus, and Post Malone are featured on the album. The site also reports the album is presented in the style of a country radio show, and Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson, and Linda Martell appear as DJs. On a related note, the album also features covers of Parton’s “Jolene” and The Beatles’ “Blackbird.”

Check out the album’s full tracklist below.

Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter Tracklist

1. “Ameriican Requiem”
2. “Blackbird” (The Beatles cover)
3. “16 Carriages”
4. “Protector”
5. “My Rose”
6. “Smoke Hour With Willie Nelson”
7. “Texas Hold ‘Em”
8. “Bodyguard”
9. “Dolly P”
10. “Jolene” (Dolly Parton cover)
11. “Daughter”
12. “Spaghettii” Feat. Shaboozey
13. “Alliigator Tears”
14. “Smoke Hour II”
15. “Just For Fun”
16. “II Most Wanted” Feat. Miley Cyrus
17. “Levii’s Jeans” Feat. Post Malone
18. “Flamenco”
19. “The Linda Martell Show”
20. “Ya Ya”
21. “Oh Louisiana”
22. “Desert Eagle”
23. “Riiverdance”
24. “II Hands II Heaven”
25. “Tyrant”
26. “Sweet Honey Buckin’”
27. “Amen”

Cowboy Carter is out 3/29 via Parkwood/Columbia. Find more information here.

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Beyoncé’s ‘Cowboy Carter’ Tracklist Brings Miley Cyrus And Post Malone To The Rodeo

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Things are about to get real, as we’re just days away from the March 29 release date of Beyoncé’s new album, Cowboy Carter. In the lead-up, fans have been clamoring for details about the project, and today (March 27), Beyoncé revealed some big ones by unveiling the tracklist.

The tracklist, as presented on Beyoncé’s Instagram post sharing it, doesn’t confirm or deny the rumors of Travis Scott and Lady Gaga being featured on the album. However, there does appear to be a track called “Dolly P,” followed by a track titled “Jolene,” presumably a cover of Dolly Parton’s classic. Again, the post’s formatting doesn’t make it clear, but it looks like there’s either a song called “Smoke Hour Willie Nelson” or a song called “Smoke Hour” featuring Nelson, with the latter option seeming more likely.

(Update: The full tracklist with features was revealed ahead of the album’s North American release, when it became available in international markets like New Zealand and Australia, as Consequence notes. Featured on the album are Shaboozey, Miley Cyrus, and Post Malone. The publication also notes the album is presented in the style of a country radio show, and making appearances as DJs are Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson, and Linda Martell.)

Check out the Cowboy Carter tracklist below.

Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter Tracklist

1. “Ameriican Requiem”
2. “Blackbird” (The Beatles cover)
3. “16 Carriages”
4. “Protector”
5. “My Rose”
6. “Smoke Hour With Willie Nelson”
7. “Texas Hold ‘Em”
8. “Bodyguard”
9. “Dolly P”
10. “Jolene” (Dolly Parton cover)
11. “Daughter”
12. “Spaghettii” Feat. Shaboozey
13. “Alliigator Tears”
14. “Smoke Hour II”
15. “Just For Fun”
16. “II Most Wanted” Feat. Miley Cyrus
17. “Levii’s Jeans” Feat. Post Malone
18. “Flamenco”
19. “The Linda Martell Show”
20. “Ya Ya”
21. “Oh Louisiana”
22. “Desert Eagle”
23. “Riiverdance”
24. “II Hands II Heaven”
25. “Tyrant”
26. “Sweet Honey Buckin’”
27. “Amen”

Cowboy Carter is out 3/29 via Parkwood/Columbia. Find more information here.

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With Annie Potts Return To Ghostbusters, She Needs More Hubub, But Not Too Much Hubub

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When Annie Potts first called, I had just gotten some news I sort of expected*, but it still made me, let’s say, “out of sorts” for a bit. To the point I missed her call, which I have never done before. After apologizing profusely to every publicist involved, we rescheduled for the following Friday and, well, she never called. You know what? Touché. Now “even Steven,” we gave it one more shot the following week. I am very glad this happened.

Potts returns as Janine Melnitz in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire, this time suiting up as an actual Ghostbuster for the first time. Potts was basically left on the cutting room floor in Ghostbusters: Afterlife and wanted some assurances that wouldn’t happen again. It was about halfway through production when Jason Reitman came up with the idea of Janine finally suiting up and getting her own proton pack (she says, yes, it’s heavy).

As I pointed out to Potts, between Ghostbusters, Designing Women, Toy Story and Young Sheldon, that about covers everyone on Earth being familiar with an Annie Potts role. Now, one you may not be familiar with is Texasville, which Potts says is her best performance. And, gosh, she just may be right. Directed by Peter Bogdanovich, this 1990 sequel to The Last Picture Show was impossible to watch. The only option was an out of print DVD that costs a small fortune. Well, great news, two versions of Texasville are included with the new The Last Picture Show Criterion 4K set. If you enjoy Annie Potts performances, oh, you have to watch Texasville.

Ahead, Annie Potts talks about, well, a lot of things. Including that her character from Pretty in Pink made some noise on social media a few weeks ago for trading in some of the coolest fashion on the planet for a much more conservative look at the end. Oh, Annie Potts has some pointed opinions about this.

*I seriously couldn’t have asked for a better last person to interview at this here website.

Annie Potts: I’m sorry I missed you last week. My days just completely galloped away from me and I didn’t know if it was Christmas or Easter. It was just insane, that last week in New York. And I’m shooting my series still out here, so I just haven’t known where I was or what I needed to do.

Well, I missed you first last week. So we’re even Steven.

Oh, good. Oh, I feel so much better. That’s a good way to start.

I have to tell you this. I’ve been wanting to see Texasville for the longest time, but it’s been impossible to find. Criterion just released The Last Picture Show on 4K, and they included Texasville and I’ve now finally seen it…

As a bonus?

I wouldn’t call it a bonus, because it includes two versions of Texasville. You get the original theatrical version and the black and white director’s cut.

I’m so happy to hear this because I love that film!

Oh, it’s so good.

It’s so interesting, and it was one of the great joys of my life to work with everybody, but especially Jeff Bridges. And I’m just really glad to hear that that’s out because people occasionally ask me about it. And, I mean, I don’t have a cut! I think it’s probably my best work in film. Immediately it disappeared after coming out.

You know what? I’m someone who thinks you’re great in everything, but you might be right. You are tremendous in that.

But I didn’t even know that they’d released it in black and white as well. Because Peter, who was fantastic, I mean, he was an actor’s dream. He just loved actors and he loved the process and it was great that way, but he wanted to do this big depth of field thing like George Stevens did, and I’m not sure that that worked. Of course, The Last Picture Show had worked so well as black and white. Man, the performances in that. Cloris Leachman!

She’s so good.

Like, whoa. Anyway, well, I’m glad you stumbled upon that.

I always wondered why it wasn’t streaming. Within 20 minutes we hear a Bruce Springsteen song and a Madonna song and I’m like, “Oh, that’s why it’s not.”

Can you buy it from the streamer?

You can buy the disc from Criterion.

I see. I’m writing this down because this is… I need this info. Criterion for the disc, okay. Wow, amazing. That’s fantastic. That makes my day.

I was thinking about your career. Between Ghostbusters, Designing Women, Toy Story and Young Sheldon, that covers about every human being on earth.

Each one of those would speak to… Yeah, that seems right.

You’ve got everyone covered.

And yet I walk through life completely under the radar.

But you probably want it that way?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I don’t need all that hubbub. I just love the work. I’ve always loved the work.

You deserve more hubbub.

Well, it’s early yet.

With Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire, did you just get a call from Jason Reitman, “Hey, do you want to play Janine again?” Is it that easy?

Sort of. I mean, I had had a bigger role in Afterlife. And because of time, the story became sprawling, it got lost. And that was fine. That was just fine. But they called me to do this, and I said, “Well, you got to give me something to do.”

I see. You didn’t want that to happen again.

Correct.

So you wanted more hubbub.

I wanted a little more hubbub than being completely left on the cutting room floor.

Right.

I mean, I didn’t need much, just a little hubbub. And he gave me some nice stuff and halfway through shooting he said, “I think we’d like to put you in the flight suit.”

Oh, you didn’t know that before?

No, I did not. So I was pretty pleased about that. And I thought it was hilarious to see those three big guys and a little old woman busting some ghosts.

Well, Rick Moranis got to wear it in Ghostbusters II

Oh, that’s right! I forgot. Well, men get everything before women.

Well, I’m glad you got to finally be a Ghostbuster.

Me, too.

The proton packs look heavy.

Oh, they are. It was very hard on the guys. They had two different sets. They had the regular ones. I mean, they have to have components in them that make them look like they’re shooting lasers or something. Anyway, it was very heavy. And then they had some that were made out of foam for when the guys needed to fall down. Now, my laser was a new-fangled thing that fit on my arm. It was a little hard to read, I thought. But anyway, it doesn’t matter. It’s all pretend shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, I got a real proton laser strapped to my arm. No.

That should be the name of your autobiography, “It’s all pretend shit.”

It’s all pretend shit.

That’s a great line.

I have a few names for biographies and tombstones and stuff. I haven’t decided on which one yet.

I’m sure you answered this a lot back in 1989 when Ghostbusters II came out, but the style change for Janine between the two movies, was that your idea, or was that Ivan Reitman’s idea?

Well, it was a practical thing. First of all, there were five years between the first and the second, which is a lot of time. And I was doing Designing Women at the time and my hair was halfway down my back and I couldn’t cut it, so I had to wear a wig. And that was the wig that I liked the most. And I thought it was very ’80s. And it was like, well, why can’t we have some fun here? So we did that. People change. People change their style. Looking back, it’s a little jarring, but I much preferred the second one.

Speaking of Designing Women, I know it was very popular everywhere, but I grew up in Missouri where Linda Bloodworth-Thomason is king. She was an alum of my college, Mizzou…

Yeah, I went to Stevens College in Columbia.

Oh, wait, I didn’t know that…

Yeah, I went there. They had a wonderful theater school.

We have both lived in Columbia, Missouri in our lives.

Crazy. I think I was there pretty long time before you were, but yes, been there. And I know that that show was very big there. I mean, it was before the internet and stuff. And, I mean, our numbers were crazy. Our numbers were like Super Bowl numbers. It was fun. There was quite a bit of hubbub, though.

You were getting hubbub then, yes.

Yeah. I was in the middle of the hubbub then! But all I’ve done all my whole life is work and come home and take care of my children. And that’s been quite enough for me.

I feel fairly certain you don’t pay attention to social media, but you were the subject of discussion a few weeks ago. Gen Z discovered Pretty in Pink

Oh.

I want to get your take on this. Someone posted about this – and they basically think your character, Iona, dresses like the coolest person on Earth, but at the end when she’s like, “I’m finally going to grow up and go on a date,” she is dressed like she’s from the ’50s. And they’re mad about that.

Right. Right. And I had a problem with that at the time. And that’s what they wanted. That would not have been my choice. Plus, I mean, it’s a sign of the times that she gave in to convention. And I don’t think women do that shit anymore.

Right, I think that’s why people are confused.

Now it’s, “I think I’ll be myself. How about that? Because that’s enough.” Yes, she fell back into convention having been an incredibly unconventional, delicious person. So Gen Z is right to be in a bit of pique about that. In fact, now I’m worked up about it!

I think people will like that you’re worked up about it.

But Andie goes off with Blane, too. In the original script she went with Duckie.

Which makes so much more sense.

I know. Everybody I think would’ve been rooting for that, and I don’t know why. Because John Hughes – and I wish there was somebody who was writing for kids like he did because, man, he really had his finger on the pulse. Really. I think he knew how to make kids felt seen, heard, understood, and without being mean or violent or anything like that. And I don’t think that there’s anybody out there for teens like that. And if I could write it, I sure would, but I’m not a writer.

I think people are going to like your answer about Iona.

Okay! Put that out there, Mike! Make sure that your generation understands that!

Well, I’m Gen X. But I think we understand it.

Oh, wow.

I was 10 when I saw Ghostbusters in theaters.

Perfect age.

It is.

I think this is my last interview for a bit, and they saved the best for last because you turned me on to that Texasville disc. I’ve been feeling, “I think that might’ve been my best work, and I think it may be lost to the ages.”

Well, it’s back. You should get this disc and watch it again because it is fantastic.

I’m going to do it. I’m going to do it! There’s a new biography coming out about Peter Bogdanovich. I know I talked to the biographer just, I don’t know, a year ago now? And I’m so glad to. Peter was a great lover of film and filmmakers and he wrote many biographies himself on the great filmmakers. I’m glad one’s coming out about him.

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